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Bob Standage video, scary

V-DAWG

V-DAWG

someday
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Taylorsville
Was that an attempted backflip. It looks like the X-Games, not rock "crawling". Either that, or the crazies at Potatoe Salad. :confused:

Glad there were not any serious injuries.
 
cruiseroutfit

cruiseroutfit

Cruizah!
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Vendor
Location
Sandy, Ut
Couple of thoughts...

Would this have been prevented had his harness been properly worn? He did have it on, but it is fair to assume that it was not tight enough... his helmet was visually damaged, as was his steering wheel from the impact. Thank god he didn't take the steering wheel a little lower (such as a direct facial hit).

Also, it was on a BONUS line, that only ~4 people were able to scale... We pulled up to it, gave it a couple conservative assaults, and decided it was not worth the risk...

That video really hits home as the entire UROC crew (competitors, judges, media, etc) were in those same pits all day long... It was a miracle (IMHO) that there were no serious injuries...
 
James K

James K

NO, I'm always like this
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Taylorsville, Ut
cruiseroutfit said:
Couple of thoughts...

Would this have been prevented had his harness been properly worn? He did have it on, but it is fair to assume that it was not tight enough... his helmet was visually damaged, as was his steering wheel from the impact. Thank god he didn't take the steering wheel a little lower (such as a direct facial hit).

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seatbelts/harnesses aren't worth a shiut if they are not worn properly. in the video, he was clearly just flopping around in there.
 
Bart

Bart

Registered User
Location
Arm Utah
Meat_ said:
That first parked buggy saved that womans butt
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That woman is Matt Wooley's wife, and yes, she was lucky.

If you follow the video to the end where Bob crashes into Joel's rig, I'm just puling into the frame. I was the lucky guy that got to follow Bob after the carnage and the 1 hour cleanup. I was just pulling up the to the obstacle to stage when I saw Bob coming around the corner and hit the light stand with the throttle wide open. If Joel's rig hadn't stopped him he was heading straight for me. :eek:

One other interesting fact is that 10 minutes before this happened the announcer had asked us all to move our rigs from that side of the course so the spectators could see better. If Joel had moved his it could have been disasterous.

Bart
 
Ohms

Ohms

'Poser Wheeler
Location
the gates of hell
That video is unbelievable to say the least. Jaime (Matt Woolley's wife) was literally four or five feet away running for her life. There was some divine intervention on that situation. It could have been SOOOOOO bad had Joel's rig not been where it was. And like Kurt said- They were asked to move so the spectators could get a better view!!

If you look really close at the crowd, They just stand there- No one really even thinks to get off there lawn chairs and RUN.
 
Shawn

Shawn

Just Hanging Out
Location
Holly Day
I may get flamed here, but I just don't understand why this sport has turned into more of a "Rock Racing" sport. To me, "Rock Crawling" is just that, crawling over, up, through, and under... rocks...not slapping the pedal down and racing up a cliff... :ugh: what gives... :confused: what part of that ledge in this video can be considered a crawling obstacle? Someone just has to explain this to me because I just don't get it.
Now, I will say that it IS very cool to watch stuff like that, I just don't think it is crawling...

I would also like to give input on the kill switch. The most important question that must be asked, is a life worth the cost associated with the kill switch system? I bet that guy that crwaling on the ground trying to get out of the way would say yes. I hate to see more cost added to the drivers and teams, but if you had to spend a grand to save your life or the life of another I bet you would do it.
 
M

Meat_

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Lehi
Ohms said:
...If you look really close at the crowd, They just stand there- No one really even thinks to get off there lawn chairs and RUN.
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Conversion Hysteria the only people who ran were the ones who were already ready to run... the spectators (through ignorance) had no clue that they might end up needing to run.
 
M

Meat_

Banned
Location
Lehi
Shawn said:
I may get flamed here, but I just don't understand why this sport has turned into more of a "Rock Racing" sport. To me, "Rock Crawling" is just that, crawling over, up, through, and under... rocks...not slapping the pedal down and racing up a cliff... :ugh: what gives... :confused: what part of that ledge in this video can be considered a crawling obstacle? Someone just has to explain this to me because I just don't get it.
Now, I will say that it IS very cool to watch stuff like that, I just don't think it is crawling...
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I flam... errr I mean I agree with you. Rock Crawling is going the way of "mud bogging"... yes it's cool to watch a rig hydro plane across a dirty puddle... but it isn't mud bogging.

Shawn said:
...I would also like to give input on the kill switch. The most important question that must be asked, is a life worth the cost associated with the kill switch system? I bet that guy that crwaling on the ground trying to get out of the way would say yes. I hate to see more cost added to the drivers and teams, but if you had to spend a grand to save your life or the life of another I bet you would do it.
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I'm sure that kill switches would have to effect insurance rates.
 
I Lean

I Lean

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Utah
I've posted on other forums my opinion on this, and I apologize to Bob if he reads this.....but all this was easily avoidable by having the harnesses properly adjusted. (read: tight) In this situation, the remote kill switch would have been a good thing--but a better thing would have been the driver remaining conscious because his head didn't plow into the steering wheel. That hit was BRUTAL, and it showed in the damage to the rig--but I think had the harnesses been tight, the worst injury would have been some whiplash rather than a concussion. (or whatever)

AFA the "crawling" vs. "racing"....ask any driver, pretty much all of them/us prefer the technical stuff. These big climbs can be scary for the drivers and damaging to the rigs, but if you watch the crowds you'll see what they're interested in watching. In SLC, the whole crowd migrates toward the Matterhorn every time someone runs it. In Portland, it was the same way--everyone watched #8, even though in reality it was one of the easiest obstacles there. (bonus line aside) These "point & shoot" obstacles aren't going to go away anytime soon. :(
 
pELYgroso

pELYgroso

'Merica
Location
LEHI, UT
that video's nuckin' futs!!! how the heck did the rig do that sudden turn around in mid air?? If he would have remained conscience (sp?) and whipped the rig around after landing on all fours, giving it another try, that would have been a classic!! thank goodness nobody got hurt though.
 
RockMonkey

RockMonkey

Suddenly Enthusiastic
I'llpullyaout said:
that video's nuckin' futs!!! how the heck did the rig do that sudden turn around in mid air?? If he would have remained conscience (sp?) and whipped the rig around after landing on all fours, giving it another try, that would have been a classic!! thank goodness nobody got hurt though.
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The rig got screwed up pretty bad after the landing. I don't think he would have tried again.
 
Bart

Bart

Registered User
Location
Arm Utah
I Lean said:
I've posted on other forums my opinion on this, and I apologize to Bob if he reads this.....but all this was easily avoidable by having the harnesses properly adjusted. (read: tight) In this situation, the remote kill switch would have been a good thing--but a better thing would have been the driver remaining conscious because his head didn't plow into the steering wheel. That hit was BRUTAL, and it showed in the damage to the rig--but I think had the harnesses been tight, the worst injury would have been some whiplash rather than a concussion. (or whatever)

AFA the "crawling" vs. "racing"....ask any driver, pretty much all of them/us prefer the technical stuff. These big climbs can be scary for the drivers and damaging to the rigs, but if you watch the crowds you'll see what they're interested in watching. In SLC, the whole crowd migrates toward the Matterhorn every time someone runs it. In Portland, it was the same way--everyone watched #8, even though in reality it was one of the easiest obstacles there. (bonus line aside) These "point & shoot" obstacles aren't going to go away anytime soon. :(
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Carl has hit the perverbial nail on the head, both about restraints and obstacles. UROC checked restraints for a while after SuperCrawl in Salt Lake, but have quit checking again. I don't know if it's just me, but I always strap in tight and there's no way I could hit my head on my steering wheel when I'm in my car. I do think a neck restraint may help also.

One thing to add is that even with a remote disconnect, the holder will become complacent because it just doesn't happen that much. I'd imagine that even with a remote kill, the response time to hit the button and the time for the car to loose momentum would have still taken it past Charlie's red rig. Prolly would have saved all the damage to Joel's though.
 
Cherokeester

Cherokeester

Registered User
Location
Wellsville Utah
Not experienced in this sort of thing, but if stuff like that keeps happening you are going to see fences like NASCAR in front of the crowd. One lawsuit is all its going to take. Better precautions need to be made IMO. I think that whole deal is BS :confused: Someone could have got killed very easily.
 
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