Buying FSBO house ????

Milner

formerly "rckcrlr"
We are looking at a house that is for sale by owner and I am new to this whole game....So I have a couple questions. The owner prefers to do it without agents and so do I. I like to save $$.

So, what expense besides loan closing cost do I need to expect? Title? etc?

Mortgages: Opinions on an 80/20 vs 100% with insurance? Seems like the hit on the interest on the 20 vs the insurance is about a wash? Or am I off base? I really don't want to get into a intrest only or other wierd loan. I know me, we will likely stay in the house we buy for awhile. What about 40 vs 30 year? Does the hit on interest negate any benefit in payments?

Opinions, experiences, please teach me!!
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
Make sure you do it all through a reputable escrow company - don't trust them to say ok, I'll sign it over after you pay me for the house. Also make sure you get all of your inspections and etc... Besides, what are you worried about? You don't pay any of the realtors fees anyway - your the buyer! The seller pays all of that... Don't be a nice guy with them - it's YOUR money at stake!!! The seller is the one that has a lot ot gain with keeping the realtors out - you don't.

Don't do any of those weird neg ams or etc. Just get a simple fixed interest rate loan.

80/20 or 100% is up to you. 100% loan you will have NO equity in the house for a long time and you can very easily get upside down in it. Say if the market turns in the next few years - which it will!!!! A lot of loans that were written after 9-11 are coming up on their 5 year mark, meaning that when the market was down 5 years ago, a lot of people signed 5 year ARM's and now their payments are sky rocketing like $500-800 month because of the higher interest rate. If they can't afford it any longer, they will be foreclosed on. That influx of open housing will cause the market to drop and if you're already in a house that you owe 100% on, you will be upside down. As for which I would prefer, it's really up to you and your finances. With the 80/20 deal, you will be making two house payments (primary and a second) for awhile - can you afford it? Where as with the 100% you won't. But with the 80/20 loan, you will still have 20% instant equity in your house, even though you have a second on it. You may not walk away with anything if you sold it, but there is still equity there. Also with the 100% loan, you can't use your house as an asset - it will be a huge liability for awhile. Meaning you won't be able to use it to pay your kids college by taking out a second or etc. With the 80/20 you will have more options.

Also, since you are going to stay there permanently, buy a point. The costo f the point will be better paid now than later in larger interest payments. But be careful here, if you refinance in a short amount of time, you will be losing money. You'll want to stay in that loan for at least 5+ years before refinancing.

But the key here is taht you plan on being in it for a long time... So make long term decisions. Fixed rates, etc. And remember, you pay a very large majority of the interest of the loan in the first 20 years (of a 30 year loan). Point being that after 20 years, you don't touch the loan, just keep making the payments. The first 10 is where you pay a large bulk of it, so if you are going to do anything with the loan, do it in the first 10 years. If you plan on being there for more than 10 years, might as well plan on 30.
 

Spork

Tin Foil Hat Equipped
Make sure you do it all through a reputable escrow company - don't trust them to say ok, I'll sign it over after you pay me for the house. Also make sure you get all of your inspections and etc... Besides, what are you worried about? You don't pay any of the realtors fees anyway - your the buyer! The seller pays all of that... Don't be a nice guy with them - it's YOUR money at stake!!! The seller is the one that has a lot ot gain with keeping the realtors out - you don't.
You honestly believe that the seller doesn't pass any of the costs of a realtor on? :eek:

I've known people that have done the fsbo thing. The bank/financial institution provides a lot of guidance for what needs to happen and how to proceed. I don't think my realtor did much for me besides have a bunch of contacts for things like appraisers, mortgage, title. I would say talk to a your bank and ask even if you don't get a loan through them they can point you in the right direction.
 

92XJeeper

Member
Location
Ogden
I agree with Wayne.

If you can afford it after purchasing a house, make an extra payment each year. Make sure the extra payment goes toward the principle only. Probably the easiest way to do this is to divide your monthly mortgage payment by 12 and add that amount to each monthly scheduled payment.

Not only will this will help build equity more quickly, but it also allows you to pay off a 30-year loan 7 to 8 years early, depending on your interest rate.
 
We are looking at a house that is for sale by owner and I am new to this whole game....So I have a couple questions. The owner prefers to do it without agents and so do I. I like to save $$.

So, what expense besides loan closing cost do I need to expect? Title? etc?

Mortgages: Opinions on an 80/20 vs 100% with insurance? Seems like the hit on the interest on the 20 vs the insurance is about a wash? Or am I off base? I really don't want to get into a intrest only or other wierd loan. I know me, we will likely stay in the house we buy for awhile. What about 40 vs 30 year? Does the hit on interest negate any benefit in payments?

Opinions, experiences, please teach me!!
I'm not sure how it works in Utah, but I know here in Colorado you can just go down to your local title company and ask for a real estate contract and then just fill in the blanks. Then you just jump through all the hoops before closing and show up to sign your life away. All of the random costs were wrapped up into the closing costs which we paid at the signing. As far as your mortgage, a wise mortgage person is priceless. We use a private company and have only had excellent results. In my opinion, they'll work harder for you than a big corporation will. They can answer your questions and really help you figure out what's best for your situation. Our wonder woman got us our loan financed 100% with no insurance! AND, we're self employed which is hell in terms of getting financed for anything.
 

mbryson

.......a few dollars more
Supporting Member
I'm not sure how it works in Utah, but I know here in Colorado you can just go down to your local title company and ask for a real estate contract and then just fill in the blanks. Then you just jump through all the hoops before closing and show up to sign your life away. All of the random costs were wrapped up into the closing costs which we paid at the signing. As far as your mortgage, a wise mortgage person is priceless. We use a private company and have only had excellent results. In my opinion, they'll work harder for you than a big corporation will. They can answer your questions and really help you figure out what's best for your situation. Our wonder woman got us our loan financed 100% with no insurance! AND, we're self employed which is hell in terms of getting financed for anything.


That's pretty much how it works in Utah. I did it and will do it again. Saves you 6% which isn't chump change.
 

rollover

Well-Known Member
Location
Holladay
You want to protect yourself. Go to a title company and tell them what you want to happen. Get Title Insurance. You don't know this person even if they are a friend when it comes to money matters. Liens can be a nightmare to try and remove let alone get stuck paying off. Protect yourself! You work hard for your money Protect it! Ask the title company for a referral to a mortgage company. Next take the time to stop by one and ask for some advice. They will explain the options that are out there to match your needs and goals.

By doing this you will have solid costs to use to make a realistic offer with no surprise's to you.

Think smart. Ask the pro in the business. You don't go to Joe's Bar and Grill for a operation.
 
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waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
You honestly believe that the seller doesn't pass any of the costs of a realtor on? :eek:

I've known people that have done the fsbo thing. The bank/financial institution provides a lot of guidance for what needs to happen and how to proceed. I don't think my realtor did much for me besides have a bunch of contacts for things like appraisers, mortgage, title. I would say talk to a your bank and ask even if you don't get a loan through them they can point you in the right direction.

True, they might pass the costs on in a more expensive asking price - but the point being they are responsible for them, not the buyer.

The bank that is providing the loan only gives enough guidance to cover their butt and their asset - NOT YOURS!

I would also suggest consulting a real estate attorney... Yeah, it might cost you a $200, but it's better than losing $200,000 - IMO...
 

DevinB

I like traffic lights
Location
Down Or'm
We just did the FSBO thing, we close on Thursday. Luckily we have a lot of friends and family in the business, so we were helped all along the way.

Talk to a mortgage broker about different loans and options to find the best for you. Also make sure they give you a list that details all of the closing and associated fees, not just a verbal ballpark. If they try to change those fees, call them on it. If you have any friends in the industry like appraisers, inspectors, mortgage brokers, realtors, etc, pull strings if you can. My sis-in-law has a friend that does mortgages, she saved us $600 in closing costs. A long-time family friend did our inspection for free, saved us $300. Talk to a realtor and get a list of typical forms that need to be filled out, like the Real Estate Purchase Contract and Seller Disclosure.

It was really intimidating, but it's really not that bad. Good luck!
 

toyotajunk2

Registered User
Not that bad

If you would like I am a commercial Real Estate agent and would be happy to send you any forms or contracts you need. Let me know if you have any questions. PM and we can chat. I don't work Residential so don't worry no fees or anything to me, just help.
Also in the last few weeks the mortgage industry has taken huge hits. 30% of the mortgage companies nationwide have gone out of business. Unless you have immaculate credit its near impossible to get a 100% financing now or even 90%. I can set you up with a lender to answer any questions if you need. PM me if you want.
 

Milner

formerly "rckcrlr"
If you would like I am a commercial Real Estate agent and would be happy to send you any forms or contracts you need. Let me know if you have any questions. PM and we can chat. I don't work Residential so don't worry no fees or anything to me, just help.
Also in the last few weeks the mortgage industry has taken huge hits. 30% of the mortgage companies nationwide have gone out of business. Unless you have immaculate credit its near impossible to get a 100% financing now or even 90%. I can set you up with a lender to answer any questions if you need. PM me if you want.

Do you or does anyone else know where I can find out what it was sold for? I believe this is a house that has been "flipped" and just want to get a good hand to play.... SLCounty taxes value it as $144K and asking is $205.
 
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