Coleman instant tent as an alternative to RTT

TRD270

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Just wondering if anyone has any experience with these. I love my Kodiak (springbar knock off) but it is very large, heavy and takes sometime to setup solo.

I saw the Coleman instant tent in the store today and was intrigued. I see a couple benefits

1. The obvious short setup time

2. Relatively small packaging (It was about the same size, if not smaller than my ARB camp chair)

3. Ease of take down and setup for overnight spots.

4. Fairly inexpensive

Here is a short video of setup

[video=youtube;BkPQqBJzYJI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BkPQqBJzYJI#![/video]


They are offered in several sizes with the small 3 man being under $100. The one I saw was the 4 man which is what I would probably get for the little extra height.

Website to the line of tents http://www.coleman.com/Products/11020/instant-tents



Just thought I would share, and see if anyone has used one.

Also claim to not need a rain fly, though one is offered as an accessory
 

sixstringsteve

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it looks very similar in design to the turbo tent. My friend has one and he likes it quite a bit. Costco had them a while back.


I've never thought Coleman to make high quality tents, but for the money they're not bad. I'm convinced that a good solid tent with the fewest gimmicks/easy features is the best.
 

Rock Taco

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A friend of mine used this one.

[video=youtube;ljfSBBroftw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ljfSBBroftw[/video]

He loved it until his family out grew it. Its not as tall as the one your looking at.
 

Kevin B.

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That looks like a sail waiting to happen. I've learned the hard way that big tents don't work well in Utah.
 

sixstringsteve

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I will say that my RTT is not the greatest tent I've ever used. I do, however, like that it packs up on the roof and is fairly easy to deploy. Rather than thinking of the coleman as an alternative to a RTT, think of it as a cheaper and smaller alternative to your kodiak.

As far as tents go, my REI Quarter Dome T2 does a much better job sheltering and protecting me from the elements than my ARB RTT does. However, for multi-day trips, I really like the convenience of a RTT, especially with the storage space saved by not having a tent or pads or sleeping bags taking up room in my rig. If it weren't for that fact, I'd use the REI tent every time.

I think it would be cool to figure out a way to mount a cabelas double tentcot as a RTT, save $900 and 50 lbs. It could definitely serve the same purpose as a RTT, but it may not have the coolness factor, and you can't fold your pads up inside or sit up inside it.
 
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jeep-N-montero

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OZ Tent and Turbo Tent are both much better choices, Coleman hasn't built a solid tent in about 20 years, there are many reasons vintage Coleman tents go for as much as $800 or more on ebay.
 

sixstringsteve

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I've learned the hard way that big tents don't work well in Utah.

x2, unless they're built like a tank like a Kodiak or Springbar.


Tents are REALLY personal and everyone likes something different. Here's what I've learned in my 25+ years of camping (forgive the rant, I've been thinking about this a lot lately). None of this is directed towards you, I'm just rambling here:

Personally, I prefer smaller tents. A lot of my friends who are new to camping (I know you're not) try to buy the biggest, cheapest tent they can for the money. They get excited to hear it's an 8-man for under $80. Well, an 8-12 man tent sounds awesome on paper, who doesn't want all that room? But I'm convinced that a lot of people in life hate camping because they were never properly introduced to it. Setting up an 8-12 man ten is an ORDEAL. it's not easy, fun, or convenient. And once it's up, it blows around like crazy in the wind. And cheap tents usually have horrible rain flies that don't actually keep out wind or rain. I've had a few friends wake up with soaked mattress pads, and collapsed tents, then struggle to clean up all the mess in the morning. No wonder so many people don't like camping, that doesn't sound like fun to me either.

This isn't directed towards you Josh, I'm just rambling here. Like Kevin said, bigger is not always better, especially in cold climates. I guess everyone camps differently and expects different things from their tent. I came from a backpacking background and I expect a tent to keep me and my things dry and warm in all weather conditions, without the need for a head source. I use my tent for sleeping, not so much for lounging (although my wife is the exact opposite). I like to hang out by the fire as long as I can, and just use my tent for sleeping. So I don't need room for 6 people, or to be able to do my calesthenics in the morning. :D

I much prefer the design of "backpacking" tents, even over a good RTT. They're light weight, small in size when packed up, they offer extreme protection from the elements, and they're built to be very sturdy. I keep hoping there will be a cheap alternative and that the big camping names have made a breakthrough in technology and cost, but then I realize the backpacking guys have been doing this for ages, in the most extreme environments. I don't predict I'll find a <$200 solution that meets my needs better than a backpacking tent anytime soon. Tents that set themselevs up, or just take one button to set up are usually compromising in places I don't want to comprimise: weight, strength, size, durability, cost, or a combination of all of the above.

It snowed overnight on our Hole in the Rock trip this March. The tents that stayed the driest were the REI backpacking tents. Not a drop of wetness inside. I can't say the same for my ARB, or for Brandon's Coleman. Also, the backpacking tents have a lot more useful features and design thought into them. They've really come a long way in the past 3-5 years. I like the look and feel of my RTT, and I like being up off the ground, but the inside of the ARB feels like a springbar from 30 years ago. Which isn't bad per se, but the newer backpacking tents have MUCH better designed pockets, door openings, windows, vents, retention, air flow, etc. I wish ARB would hire me (or even better, Sierra Designs) to redesign the interior of their tents, I have some good ideas. :D

Anyway, take that for what it's worth. I think a good sturdy backpacking tent for $200-300 at REI (or wherever you shop for good camping gear) would really fit the bill. I can see myself without a RTT someday, but I can never see myself without a good ground tent that can be carried on a backpack. I'm trying to learn more about the minimalist setups, but I'm pretty hard on gear and I don't truly backpack enough to justify a lot of the cost.


Oh, and two more things to add: a nice pad and sleeping bag make all the difference in the world. I cannot stress how much of a difference a good $250+ bag makes. I've had $120 0* bags before, and while I thought I would be warm at 0*, it was absolutely nothing like my current bag. If weight, cost, and space aren't a concern, I HIGHLY recommend the thermarest dreamtime pads. They're more comfortable than my bed at home, and I don't need a battery-operated machine to inflate it.
 
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Kevin B.

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I went and sat inside one of those tent cots the other day. They didn't have the extended or double version up, but the roof on the single was way too low for my taste. I want to bolt one up to some crossbars and use it as a poor mans RTT, but I don't think I'd like it.

I still want a Jumping Jack. A giant Springbar on wheels sounds like just what the doc ordered for hauling my family around.
 

sixstringsteve

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Yeah, the tentcots aren't any good for sitting up, just for sleeping.

someone needs to make a rack that the rest of the tent drapes over. Kinda like an ARB awning. Or one of these that hangs from telescoping poles outside a RTT:

[video=youtube;adVIQbUWHZk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adVIQbUWHZk[/video]


But it would suck in the wind.
 

sixstringsteve

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I have a friend who sleeps in his hammock with a tarp over it and he absolutely loves it, in all conditions. I tried it once and didn't sleep well, but a lot of people love them. They pack up about the size of a football and are super easy to install, and most are under $75
 

Kevin B.

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I have a friend who sleeps in his hammock with a tarp over it and he absolutely loves it, in all conditions. I tried it once and didn't sleep well, but a lot of people love them. They pack up about the size of a football and are super easy to install, and most are under $75

I have a little hammock that's great for afternoon naps. I've tried sleeping in it and didn't take to it, but I'm going to try it again this summer. My hammock and a tarp would be much lighter than a tent, and perfect for mild weather backpacking.
 

sixstringsteve

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Try sleeping diagonally in a hammock. It'll keep your back from bowing, and it'll actually lay flat. I just felt like I was going to slip out of mine with my sleeping bag inside the hammock. Mine even has a bug net in it to keep the bugs away. I think if I got a 2-man hammock I'd feel more secure.
 

TRD270

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I went and sat inside one of those tent cots the other day. They didn't have the extended or double version up, but the roof on the single was way too low for my taste. I want to bolt one up to some crossbars and use it as a poor mans RTT, but I don't think I'd like it.

I still want a Jumping Jack. A giant Springbar on wheels sounds like just what the doc ordered for hauling my family around.

I actually slept in a tent cot I borrowed from a friend over EJS. Other than not working so great in the cold (condensation) it was quite comfortable. My problem with it is the size and weight. Packed up its still HUGE, and took up tons of cargo room.


I actually have two smaller really nice tents one a two man back pack tent, I believe it is Mountain Hardware and I nice 3 man really 2 + gear North Face tent.

The problem is me and my back (thanks Airborne School) are getting older. I've tried several sleeping pad, extra blankets etc etc and I just can't get a good nights sleep on the ground. The reason I'm searching for a alternative to my Kodiak is height. I've found my best solution for getting a solid nights rest in the great outdoors is a cot. The two small nice tents are great for what they are, nice and small, but they just don't have the height to accommodate a cot unless I buy a crazy expensive and not very comfy backpacking cot.

My plan right now is just to use my cot with my bag and a bivy sack..... but sometimes having a tent is nice.

Thats why I started this to brainstorm out loud. I've honestly not owned a "cheap" tent since I was in the boy scouts years ago. We've had our nice small tents for years now, and they have never let me down. The Kodiak was purchased for those extended stays to have a little more room. I think what I may end up doing is taking my little tent on my trips and if the weather turns, abandon the cot and suck it up on the ground in the tent.
 

sixstringsteve

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Hm... bad backs make it tough. Sorry to hear that. I'd be happy to let you borrow on of my thermarest dreamtimes. It may not cure your back pains, but it'd be worth a try. That was a huge improvement for me. I'm tempted to put them in my RTT they're so comfy and the ARB pad is so not comfy.

It sounds like you're on the right path and you've tried a lot of different options out there. As long as you don't expect a cheap tent to compete with your better ones, you might find that it works well enough. Then again, the first wind or rain storm and it might cripple your trip.
 
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sixstringsteve

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I totally want to sleep in one of these. Forget that I'll never find 3 trees close together, I'll find a way.


[video=youtube;SqImIChxJ-E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqImIChxJ-E[/video]

And if you have a winch it can be set up even faster. :D
 
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