Coreshot said:
The trail crosses the stream in several places, the SAME several places it has crossed it for 50-100 years. You can't tell me that the river even has banks to be eroded at these points. In between crossings, there is plenty of habitat for the "endangered" fish. You seem to be the authority on the matter, so why don't you tell us exactly which species it is that's endangered. It's very easy for enviros to say that endangered species are there, and the public takes it for the truth. As for your comment about us having more rights than the animals, it kind of goes along with being at the top of the food chain.
I thought this forum was for rock crawling enthusiasts, not SUWA loving hippies that happen to have a Land Cruiser. One more thing, does your "custom tiger striped dash" help your 2F leak less?
I carry a drip pan to catch my leaks when I am stopped, and I also avoid trails where my truck will be crossing rivers....
In any case.
I was simply bringing up a point.
I have friends that 4 Wheel.
I also have friends that are SUWA loving hippies.
I don't give a rats ass one way or another if I can't drive my truck all the way. I am just as happy using my hiking boots.
I do recognize that if SUWA closes established routes, that the 4 wheelign crowd will find other routes.
I also recognize that SUWA exagerates many issues....
DOn't think for a SECOND that the BRC doesn't exagerate issues as well.
Honestly, I don't understand why hells gate and the escalator were closed. I am happy that they were reopened. If the stream crossings were through established rotues the damage is done, nothing can be done about that keep em open.
If there is a new route, that has been proposed, and it crosses a stream where there was no mining in the past, no previous established route, etc. Then I don't believe that there should be a route there.