Domestics vs. Imports...

cruiseroutfit

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Not taking sides (like I have too ;)) Just passing on an interesting article... Can you beleive that Imports accounted for 25% of truck sales in the US...

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By David Kiley, USA TODAY

Toyota (TM) outsold Ford Motor (F) worldwide in the last six months for the first time, and import automakers likely will grab a record of more than 25% of U.S. truck sales this year, both signs of the continuing challenge domestic automakers face from abroad.

Among the worries for Detroit is the image that the surge by foreign automakers creates. Consumers might not consciously buy brands based on sales trends, but marketing and auto industry analysts agree that bragging rights matter.


"The imports have tremendous momentum, and that is expanding the image gap between Detroit and companies like Toyota and Honda," says Jeff Schuster of research firm J.D. Power and Associates.


"Sales leadership matters to dealers, employees and ultimately the customers in how they think about the company selling them a car," says Joe Phillippi of AutoTrends Consulting. "Consumers like brands that win."


General Motors (GM), Ford and Chrysler Group (DCX) , struggling to make any profit this year from auto sales, are hoping for an image rebound with an onslaught of new products in 2004 and 2005. Ford and Chrysler are each launching 10 products in 2004. GM has 29 products hitting the market in 2004 and 2005.


But even if the cars and trucks are successful, the slide in image won't reverse overnight.


"Moving our brand image only happens with new product, and it won't happen from one month to another," acknowledges Chrysler CEO Dieter Zetsche. "It will take many years."


Passing Ford globally — or Chrysler in U.S. sales, as it did in August — is a symbolic milestone for Toyota. But for the U.S. automakers, losing truck share to rivals is a harsher financial reality, because what scant profits U.S. automakers earn today from auto sales come entirely from pickups and sport-utility vehicles.


From 1990 to 1998, domestic brands had at least 83% of the truck market. In October, that share reached a low of 73%. Toyota, for one, has added SUV models faster than GM's Chevy division or the Ford brand, despite having a smaller market share.


"About five years ago, we lost momentum and our focus, and put energy into a lot of other stuff that hasn't put enough new product in the showroom. Lesson learned," says Ford sales analyst George Pipas.


It's not that there is no good news for Detroit. Consumer Reports recently added a flock of GM and Ford models to its recommended list. Several GM models beat Toyota and Honda (HMC) models on Power's survey of problems in the first 90 days of ownership. Chevy sells more vehicles priced above $30,000 than any other car company because of the popularity of its top-priced pickups and SUVs.


But in every category except pickups and large SUVs, U.S. automakers are playing catch-up in image with smaller rivals.


"Imports crossing the 25% mark in trucks has to be a wake-up call for Detroit," says J.D. Power's Schuster.
 

Caleb

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doesn't surprise me simply cause the average person doesn;t need/want a fullsize...and if I were to get a mid size truck it would deffinitely be a toy...I dont think there is really a comparison in quality...maybe detroit will do something about it but I doubt it...
 

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supergper said:
...I dont think there is really a comparison in quality...maybe detroit will do something about it but I doubt it...

I think they are starting to make alot better cars/trucks.. I think the new Dodges are far better than the older ones (judging the quality of interior, electronics, etc)
 

cruiseroutfit

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Oh yeah, rode in a new Ford 6.0 today.. WOW that is a fast engine... can't beleive they can get more power with 1.3 less liters :D Whats next a diesel 4.0 liter that smokes the stuff now? The future will surely bring some advanced motors.. mabey even more than 40% efficient.. ;)
 

Caleb

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danielt said:
Volkswagen sales droped 48% last month.


freak, that doesn;t surprise me...I am so sick of my wifes Jetta...I had to buy a Mass Air Flow Sensor which was only $57 but I had to wait almost 6 weeks for it while it was shipped from Germany (mind you I was told it would only be two weeks)...next I had to buy some brake pads (dealer only item:rolleyes: ) and they were suposed to be here a week ago and I am still waiting for them...some one is gonna get a foot up their ass if they dont get here quick...
 

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supergper said:
freak, that doesn;t surprise me...I am so sick of my wifes Jetta...I had to buy a Mass Air Flow Sensor which was only $57 but I had to wait almost 6 weeks for it while it was shipped from Germany (mind you I was told it would only be two weeks)...next I had to buy some brake pads (dealer only item:rolleyes: ) and they were suposed to be here a week ago and I am still waiting for them...some one is gonna get a foot up their ass if they dont get here quick...


$57 for a MAF? That must be a gas 2.0 motor, cause the one we just bought for our TDI jetta was to the tune of ~$200... and two months later the check engine light just flicked on... This thing only has 43000 miles on it... great gas mileage, fun to drive, but looks to be a headache already...
 

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tuck said:
$57 for a MAF? That must be a gas 2.0 motor, cause the one we just bought for our TDI jetta was to the tune of ~$200... and two months later the check engine light just flicked on... This thing only has 43000 miles on it... great gas mileage, fun to drive, but looks to be a headache already...


yeah I was super happy it was only $57...that sucks about your troubles...I had my codes read once and it said it was the O2 sensor before the cat so I bought and replaced that, then the CE light came back on so I went to bitch out the dealer and they checked it and it said the MAF was bad...this has been a pain in the ass and I am a couple months expired on my plates because of the stinkin dealer... :mad:
 

Caleb

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supergper said:
yeah I was super happy it was only $57...that sucks about your troubles...I had my codes read once and it said it was the O2 sensor before the cat so I bought and replaced that, then the CE light came back on so I went to bitch out the dealer and they checked it and it said the MAF was bad...this has been a pain in the ass and I am a couple months expired on my plates because of the stinkin dealer... :mad:


oh yeah, and yeah it is for the 2.0...I wish I had the TDI:p
 

robrocketanski

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don't even get me started, there is only one company worth spending money to purchase their products ;) once the three so-called american companies give them away for free i would still buy toyota :D made in the usa even.

did you know toyota is bringing out 42 volt electrical for 2005 and will offer EVERY model with a hybrid option in 2006.

and new cherokees will be multi link front with aluminum spindles, i just found that out.
 

danielt

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robrocketanski said:
don't even get me started, there is only one company worth spending money to purchase their products ;) once the three so-called american companies give them away for free i would still buy toyota :D made in the usa even.

did you know toyota is bringing out 42 volt electrical for 2005 and will offer EVERY model with a hybrid option in 2006.

and new cherokees will be multi link front with aluminum spindles, i just found that out.

I owned several Toyota fullsize Trucks (HDJ, HZJ,HJ,BJ). Never again !
 

WildYoats

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Im very happy to see Toyota's success! There is obviously a reason as to why I am so very impressed with them and have owned a [few] along the way.

I will agree that many of the domestic trucks have come along way too. Back in highschool (young, dumb, and full of .....) after having a couple of Toyota's and RX7's, I ventured off track and found a Dodge Ramcharger. Boy, did I learn to regret that one big time! Nevertheless, I returned to what was more reliable, has always had a great resale value, and are known for quality.

In 99, I bought I Dodge Ram. Mainly as a tow rig for the Moab-bound wheeler. I will say that I did love this truck for the three years I had it and it only had a couple of small quirks that I could live with. What reminded me as to why I should not have bought it was the resale. Yikes, even with extremely low miles and being in immaculate condition, the resale was......poopy!

Now, if I had a farm or worked in construction, there would obviously be a need for some gas guzzling Four door, dually, 1 ton, diesel, hucklebuck truck (dont take that wrong). For heavy duty, the dom's have the market. For now at least.

So, what the hell am I all trying to say....hmmm, hell I dont know other than I am happy with my Toyota's and the Tundra now actually pulls my wheeler better than the 99 Ram did (5.9) and is currently getting 18 mpg.

So good job Toyota! Hopefully it doesnt get to your head and reflect in your arrogant sales staff now as it has in the past!

my .02 , too much coffee this morning I suppose! :eek:
 
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