EJS Police Force

[utahxjer]

My 2 cents.

I hate pigs with no backbone. I didnt get pulled over or bothered at all, but we saw a lot of rigs getting pulled over coming off the trails. IMO that is entrapment. PIGS are not allowed to hang out at the bar, and pull everyone over assuming their driving drunk, and this is no different.

Yes there were plenty of people drinking, and being stupid, but while I saw people acting like morons on 1 side, I see some kid get a ticket for mud flaps on the other.
Oh and letting people slide because they are with one org over another is called favoritism, and according to a good friend who worked vice, and is now on canyon patrol for our lovely SLC PD that is a punishable offense if you are caught. He has been on the force many many years, and he was written up for letting someone go just because he liked his Harley. (He admits it was a rookie mistake).

What I dont understand about pigs, is if you are going to waste a tax payers time by pulling them over, make sure they 1) Broke the law 2) You ARE going to do your job (Hint: Rule #1 "Uphold the law, POST training handbook 101),
and 3) Dont admire, and get a boner over someone elses work. Coach them on the offense, give them a fix it ticket, or whatever, then go out and look for criminals.
Like hanging out at Maverik and busting people for buying "Blow" in the bathroom. Now that would be neat. As a taxpayer it would be great to here that a cop actually put a criminal away instead of harassing someone about their god damn mud flaps on the biggest Moab "OFF ROAD" event of the year.
This isnt a targed response at any one officer, but as a whole.

(Off soap box)

So you WANT a ticket everytime YOU get pulled over??!!??? WTF??!!?? And guess what there is a thing called "OFFICER DISCRETION" that allows "PIGS" to cite or not cite when they want, especially on TRAFFIC INFRACTIONS... So everytime a "PIG" stops someone he/she doesn't have to cite them...

Unless you "FRIEND" went and told his supervisors that he pulled over a Harley and didn't cite them just because he liked it, that is the only way he might have gotten into trouble...

 

[V-DAWG]

Beerman is an ignoramus.

Beerman, what are you thinking? If your rig is not legal, you can get pulled over. The police stopped persons who were in violation of the law. If their goal is to find those who are DUI, and they do not care about minor mud flap violations, they can still stop you and look for signs of intoxication.

Tell me about your friend with the SLC PD who works canyon patrol. He doesn't do that with SLC PD as you say. Figure out who he works for before you open your ignorant mouth and lie about something you don't know. You stating you know a cop doesn't add any credibility if you don't even know where the hell he works . He must be a real good friend of yours

By the way, your bit about entrapment. Do you have any idea what that even means? For the police to entrap you, it basically means they made something so enticing that you could not resist. The police did not make people drive on the roads without proper equipment, therefore they did not entrap anyone. They waited where they knew there would be high traffic areas, and stopped those they had the legal right to stop.

 

[V-DAWG]

no, its not the law to have ins on an ohv...is it in your best interest? heck yeah it is...if you hurt someone with your ohv then who's paying the bills if you dont have ins??? The only time you would be required to have ins is (as stated earlier) if you have a loan on it and the carrier requires it (they usually do to protect their investment).

Sounds like the police were out in force, and if you were following the laws then you didn't have any issues thats what I like to hear.

BTW, if you get a ticket for no proof of ins. but you really do have ins. then 99% of the time you just need to take in your policy info showing you were covered for the time frame of the ticket and they will get rid of the citation. If you have to pay it, its generally $300+.

Supergper,
I stand corrected. I could not find anywhere that it states you have to have insurance on an OHV. When I bought the bike, I asked my insurance agent, and they stated I had to insure it, and that is what I went off of. I will keep insurance on it, and I have done the whole time I owned it, because I do not want to be liable for paying someone else's mortgage.

 

[James K]

My 2 cents.

I hate pigs with no backbone. I didnt get pulled over or bothered at all, but we saw a lot of rigs getting pulled over coming off the trails. IMO that is entrapment. PIGS are not allowed to hang out at the bar, and pull everyone over assuming their driving drunk, and this is no different.

Yes there were plenty of people drinking, and being stupid, but while I saw people acting like morons on 1 side, I see some kid get a ticket for mud flaps on the other.
Oh and letting people slide because they are with one org over another is called favoritism, and according to a good friend who worked vice, and is now on canyon patrol for our lovely SLC PD that is a punishable offense if you are caught. He has been on the force many many years, and he was written up for letting someone go just because he liked his Harley. (He admits it was a rookie mistake).

What I dont understand about pigs, is if you are going to waste a tax payers time by pulling them over, make sure they 1) Broke the law 2) You ARE going to do your job (Hint: Rule #1 "Uphold the law, POST training handbook 101),
and 3) Dont admire, and get a boner over someone elses work. Coach them on the offense, give them a fix it ticket, or whatever, then go out and look for criminals.
Like hanging out at Maverik and busting people for buying "Blow" in the bathroom. Now that would be neat. As a taxpayer it would be great to here that a cop actually put a criminal away instead of harassing someone about their god damn mud flaps on the biggest Moab "OFF ROAD" event of the year.
This isnt a targed response at any one officer, but as a whole.

(Off soap box)

this probably the stupidest, most f*cked up thing I have ever read.

oh and by the way its called probable cause...............that is how they catch the bad guys sometimes. I had a good friend pull a suspected drug dealer over for a burned out taillight.................and low and behold drugs were there,,,,,,,,,,,,,along with a sawed off shotgun and 2 other loaded hand guns........................oh yeah didn't right him up for the burned tail light.................wou8ld you like to call and report him for that.....................or is it good enough that he got some piece of sh*t off the street.

 

[PierCed_3]

I have heard that cops will pull you over just to make sure you are not DUI. Personally I wouldn't have it any other way. I hate getting pulled over as much as the next guy but I understand what's going on. They might stumble upon one of America's Most Wanted.. you never know. Keeps the street's safe at night.

One night after working hard all night I was driving home. I wasn't paying attention to how fast I was going.. I know it was excessive but it was also 4 AM in the middle of po dunk town. I saw lights in front of me blocking the road. He talked to me about my speed and asked if he could search my car. Back in the day I didn't look like a good law abiding citizen. I agreed to let him search my car, he tore it up really good, and he didn't find anything. He claimed that since I was such a cooperative person he would let me go without a speeding ticket but verbally warned me to slow down. Then he left leaving me to clean up and put back together my car. It was fun but I understand what he was doing. I would have done the same thing he did if I saw someone like me behind the wheel at 4AM.



I fully respect the majority of our law enforcers and appreciate the job they do. I may make fun and joke about the darn 5-0 but it's all in good fun.

Andrew

 

[bobdog]

I would rather have a few of Americas Most Wanted drive past the police than throw out the bill of rights. Searching a car be cause of the way someone looks is a constitutional no no and it should be. There will never be illegal drugs in any of my vehichles but if asked if a search is OK the answer will always be NO.

 

[V-DAWG]

I would rather have a few of Americas Most Wanted drive past the police than throw out the bill of rights. Searching a car be cause of the way someone looks is a constitutional no no and it should be. There will never be illegal drugs in any of my vehichles but if asked if a search is OK the answer will always be NO.

I couldn't agree more about the Constitution, but I am always willing to help out if they feel the desire to investigate further. The police can ask anyone they stop for consent to search and that is not a no no.

 

[V-DAWG]

My 2 cents.

I hate pigs with no backbone.

Beerman, where is your backbone? I haven't seen any responses back yet

 

[Caleb]

I would rather have a few of Americas Most Wanted drive past the police than throw out the bill of rights. Searching a car be cause of the way someone looks is a constitutional no no and it should be. There will never be illegal drugs in any of my vehichles but if asked if a search is OK the answer will always be NO.

Amendmant IV clearly says that if they have probable cause they can get a warrant to search. Now what determines probable cause?

 

[dep]

Beerman, please remove your head from your ass.

as has already been pointed out, SLCPD does not do caynon patrol, and they dont get Written up for not giving someone a ticket, regardless of the reason. If you dont like the police then thats your right but dont go spouting off about what you dont know about. Cops have to have a reason to pull you over, search your car or give you a ticket and we are very carefull to make sure we follow all of the rules. No cop is going to risk his job and future to give a damn ticket that someone doesnt deserve.

 

[Utahcryogenics]

My backbone is right here. I had this thing called "work", and didnt have time to come back to the board until after I was off. I am not a troll and didnt post that looking for a fight.

My thing is this:
Its the EJS, its MOAB's #1 source of financial economy based upon tourism every year.
Every year the cops around there issue more tickets, pull over more people, and make it harder for people to enjoy their weekend.

The way I see it is that a LOT of people who would have gone to EJS would rather wait because dealing with their normal local moab officers are a lot easier than the cops that were brought in to work a holiday weekend.
I feel that a routine local cop would be a lot more understanding of the reason why a jeep took off his mudflaps for the weekend. They would be more accustomed to the surroundings that bring the type of vehicles for the applicable terrain.
I personally have friends who avoid the EJS because of that exact reason.

It doesnt make any sense to me that if cops are expecting people to drive their buggies/jeeps/trucks/whatever to and from the trail that week then they need to focus on the bigger picture.

Also how does it make you feel if you get pulled over for not having mud flaps, and while you are waiting for the cop to give you a fix it ticket you can count all the other rigs passing that are breaking the same law, or worse.
I asked a cop to explain the irony of busting a few people out of a crowd of many that are breaking the same law.
The story I got is this:
"Well its like Fishing, you dont go to a lake expecting to catch every fish in the pond".
I agree that I dont want criminals driving my streets either, but when you see thousands of people breaking a very minor infraction, on 1 week of the year, where the masses override the concept of fair judgement, you should let it slide. Thats my opinion.

Oh and my friends name is Paul, he is a Salt Lake County Sheriff, and Yes he does work canyon patrol He drives a Ford Expedition, equipped with a winch, and a bullbar that is over kill.
He has to wear a waist style beacon so that if he is ever caught under a rockslide, avalanche, etc. and his life is taken, S&R has to be able to find a body before their life insurance pays out. (Or so that is the light hearted joke he told me when I asked him why he wears it).

I wont give hsi last name for sake of privacy, but he is a true cop that feels there is too many rookie cops out there trying to pad their count, or show how cool or tough they are behind a badge. In his own words if he gave a ticket for every minor infraction he saw he wouldnt have time to bust REAL criminals, or save peoples lives. He doesnt drive up and down the canyons looking for a mudflap infraction, when there is a chance that someone could slide off the road into a river, and seconds count when saving lives.

I guess i shouldnt have been so hard using the word pig, I get frustrated like other humans do. If it offends you then dont read it. Remember the sticks and stones rule.

 

[dep]

I understand getting frustrated just like everybody else, BUT- for every person you meet that wont go because of the police, youll meet ten that wouldnt go without them. Most people dont want to go there and have to deal with a bunch of drunks and people who dont give a damn about anybody but themselves, and the police are there not to piss you off because of your mud flaps but to take care of problems when they arise. Dont blame the cops (who need to be there in case something serious happens) because they enforce traffic rules you dont like while they wait for the sh!t to hit the fan. Instead feel happy that nothing serious did happen and they didnt have anything better to do than pull a few people over. Contrary to popular belief most cops dont like to give tickets.

 

[phillippi]

My backbone is right here. I had this thing called "work", and didnt have time to come back to the board until after I was off. I am not a troll and didnt post that looking for a fight.

My thing is this:
Its the EJS, its MOAB's #1 source of financial economy based upon tourism every year.
Every year the cops around there issue more tickets, pull over more people, and make it harder for people to enjoy their weekend.

The way I see it is that a LOT of people who would have gone to EJS would rather wait because dealing with their normal local moab officers are a lot easier than the cops that were brought in to work a holiday weekend.
I feel that a routine local cop would be a lot more understanding of the reason why a jeep took off his mudflaps for the weekend. They would be more accustomed to the surroundings that bring the type of vehicles for the applicable terrain.
I personally have friends who avoid the EJS because of that exact reason.

It doesnt make any sense to me that if cops are expecting people to drive their buggies/jeeps/trucks/whatever to and from the trail that week then they need to focus on the bigger picture.

Also how does it make you feel if you get pulled over for not having mud flaps, and while you are waiting for the cop to give you a fix it ticket you can count all the other rigs passing that are breaking the same law, or worse.
I asked a cop to explain the irony of busting a few people out of a crowd of many that are breaking the same law.
The story I got is this:
"Well its like Fishing, you dont go to a lake expecting to catch every fish in the pond".
I agree that I dont want criminals driving my streets either, but when you see thousands of people breaking a very minor infraction, on 1 week of the year, where the masses override the concept of fair judgement, you should let it slide. Thats my opinion.

Oh and my friends name is Paul, he is a Salt Lake County Sheriff, and Yes he does work canyon patrol He drives a Ford Expedition, equipped with a winch, and a bullbar that is over kill.
He has to wear a waist style beacon so that if he is ever caught under a rockslide, avalanche, etc. and his life is taken, S&R has to be able to find a body before their life insurance pays out. (Or so that is the light hearted joke he told me when I asked him why he wears it).

I wont give hsi last name for sake of privacy, but he is a true cop that feels there is too many rookie cops out there trying to pad their count, or show how cool or tough they are behind a badge. In his own words if he gave a ticket for every minor infraction he saw he wouldnt have time to bust REAL criminals, or save peoples lives. He doesnt drive up and down the canyons looking for a mudflap infraction, when there is a chance that someone could slide off the road into a river, and seconds count when saving lives.

I guess i shouldnt have been so hard using the word pig, I get frustrated like other humans do. If it offends you then dont read it. Remember the sticks and stones rule.

You might want to watch what you say for your friend the cop. Me being a "Pig" as well, I wouldnt want anyone speaking for me as untill your a cop its not possible to think like a cop, no matter how many stories he tells you.

After doing the canyon patrol myself for several years, I also do not the traffic stuff as well, but they are Utah State codes that we can and do enforce. I hardly ever write a ticket based only on traffic stuff, unless the smartass talked their way into it. But you would be amazed how much you can find on traffic infraction stops. Mostly if I cant find anything good, they get a warning.

Now if Moab PD called all the other departments and asked them for help during the EJS (which they do every year) they also give the out of town officers instructions on what they want looked at the not looked at.

And if someone wont come to EJS due to cops and the traffic stops they make, then well I am glad those guys dont come because I wouldnt want them there. Sleep tight while I and your friend keep you safe...

 

[XJEEPER]

"we're all innocent and the pigs framed us"....chanted the folks in Cell Block D

 

[V-DAWG]

Beerman

Your second post sounds more reasonable. Just to explain a little more. SLCPD is Salt Lake City Police Department. Salt Lake County does not have a police department, they are a Sheriffs Office (SLCSO). Also, last I knew, Moab had 12 officers on their police force. I do not know how many Grand County has working for them, but you figure those 12 officers would not get even a 5 minute break the whole week of the safari if they didn't bring more officers in. I myself am a "PIG" as well, and I have been involved in situations which require 20+ officers to keep everyone safe, including the suspect, the police, and the public. Asking other officers to assist for the week is not just to piss people off, it is for everyones safety, even if a couple people have to become upset for receiving a ticket they deserve for violating the law.

 

[James K]

"we're all innocent and the pigs framed us"....chanted the folks in Cell Block D

funny

 

[Meat_]

RME seems to be a cop magnet.

 

[gksspot]

RME seems to be a cop magnet.

Ive thought that before, why is that? Is it that cops just like to 4 wheel?

 

[PierCed_3]

I'd hope so, I would like to see more people from the "law" involved with building and fabbing your own vehicle. Might get less mudflap tickets..

 

[81Ramchargerman]

You know if you are breaking the law, the "pigs" as you so graciously, not to mention thoughtfully, called them can't pull everyone over. As far as your entrapment...I can see it from that point of view, but despite what you think, the cops, as mentioned previously, do you know how much paperwork cops must push in order to give you that ticket? Every cop I have ever spoken to has said the same thing. And alot of it is a perspective thing. If you are on the side that thinks that the cops are not a necessary presence, then it seems ridiculous...think of it this way, the other night I watched 'Cops' and a lady driving an unsuspicous white car that simply had no plates adn the mom had 4 kids in the back and like a pound of cocaine guns etc. You give up some of your given rights in order to get that type of protection.