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Whenever I find myself confronted with a Prius (which are generally slow moving) I feel an overwhelming urge to get a big blocked HighBoy and have the gas tank specially modified to slop raw fuel on the ground every time I turn or accelerate.

Am I a thermodynamic lawdog or am I just bent?
 

Stephen

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This was printed in the Central Connecticut State University Recorder

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March 7, 2007


Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage
By Chris Demorro
Staff Writer

The Toyota Prius has become the flagship car for those in our society so environmentally conscious that they are willing to spend a premium to show the world how much they care. Unfortunately for them, their ultimate ‘green car’ is the source of some of the worst pollution in North America; it takes more combined energy per Prius to produce than a Hummer.
Before we delve into the seedy underworld of hybrids, you must first understand how a hybrid works. For this, we will use the most popular hybrid on the market, the Toyota Prius.
The Prius is powered by not one, but two engines: a standard 76 horsepower, 1.5-liter gas engine found in most cars today and a battery- powered engine that deals out 67 horsepower and a whooping 295ft/lbs of torque, below 2000 revolutions per minute. Essentially, the Toyota Synergy Drive system, as it is so called, propels the car from a dead stop to up to 30mph. This is where the largest percent of gas is consumed. As any physics major can tell you, it takes more energy to get an object moving than to keep it moving. The battery is recharged through the braking system, as well as when the gasoline engine takes over anywhere north of 30mph. It seems like a great energy efficient and environmentally sound car, right?
You would be right if you went by the old government EPA estimates, which netted the Prius an incredible 60 miles per gallon in the city and 51 miles per gallon on the highway. Unfortunately for Toyota, the government realized how unrealistic their EPA tests were, which consisted of highway speeds limited to 55mph and acceleration of only 3.3 mph per second. The new tests which affect all 2008 models give a much more realistic rating with highway speeds of 80mph and acceleration of 8mph per second. This has dropped the Prius’s EPA down by 25 percent to an average of 45mpg. This now puts the Toyota within spitting distance of cars like the Chevy Aveo, which costs less then half what the Prius costs.
However, if that was the only issue with the Prius, I wouldn’t be writing this article. It gets much worse.
Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.
The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.
“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.
All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?
Wait, I haven’t even got to the best part yet.
When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius’s arch nemesis.
Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
So, if you are really an environmentalist - ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available - a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage - buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.
One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.
 

BlackDog

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Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.
And this is the root of my despising of the Prius.
Ex-Boss at Dominoes had one, almost $500 a month payment, and his average was 50 mpg.

I bought a $150 Metro, didn't have second gear, and I pulled 50 mpg, with no payment.......

His monthly operating cost was so much fricking higher, I could and did drive both Bronco's and spend less money than he did driving one Prius.
 

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BlackDog

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Originally posted by Meat : Why are they so excited about their 55mpg hybrids? The Geo Metro would do 65mpg on the freeway and 55mpg in town, running on straight gas.
My fricking point exactly.

Originally posted by guther66 : I agree with this, but the problem is we are still dependent on oil for fuel. I think the hybrids are just getting the people ready for cars powered by some other source.

Diesel rabbits, 4 cylinder diesel mercedes, all capable of being powered by vegetable oil, used no less, we could get away from petroleum..... if we tried.

See my signature, I ahve two big pigs I feed daily, and I ma trying to sell my Metro to regear one of the pigs (tyhe 6 cyl one, the 33's I put on it took away my mpg, to get it back I have to roll at 55 in 3rd, and stay away from OD)
 

Bart

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Here's a little tidbit I read in the paper yesterday. Because the all knowing and wise lawmakers have demanded that there be a 20% reduction in the use of fossil fuels in the next 20 years, the big oil companies are now trimming their plans to expand fuel refineries, thus ensuring high gas prices in the future.

I know the law makers mean well, but it seems everytime congress decides to regulate things, they totally mess up the supply and demand curves, and throw economics right out the window. If someone could come up with a new fuel that could compete with oil, the natural progression of supply and demand would self regulate.

Sorry, soapbox mode off.
 

spencurai

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I was bored and in a sleep deprived haze this morning while doing my reports and I saw that documentary on the crushing of the GM EV-1 cars. Amidst all the bull-crap over inflated hype there were some very solid arguments about how we are being plotted against and how we are shooting ourselves in the foot for more economical vehicles.

Yeah the oil companies are against us...we all know that. Yeah the government is against us...pretty farkin obvious but the thing that kills progress the most of US...the consumer! GM bought HUMMER almost at the exact same time they scraped their EV-1 program because they thought they would make more money of selling the H-2 and subsequent H-3....and guess what? THEY DID!

GM was just following...and somewhat forcing, the market and we the consumer just ate it up like so much apple pie instead of getting pissed that they were going for idiotic hydrogen powered cars and inefficient hybrids. We shot ourselves in the foot and will continue to do so until gas is too expensive for even the wealth to buy.

I'm gonna get back to work...this drilling rig uses about 3000 gallons of diesel a day so we better hurry up and get this hole drilled...lol!
 
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