Ford Explorer Questions

iamsparticus

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Ogden,Ut
My friend is getting a ford explorer for a wheeling project, and he needs to know what gear ratios were avaliable on a 1997, last year of the TTB front suspension. Also has anyone here done a SAS in one of these? I found some builds on the internet useing the radius arms and bronco springs, is that really all you need? And finally do early ford bronco front axles swap in easily since they are set up for coils.:-\ Any advice would be great
 

STAG

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I sold a high pinion dana 30 out of my XJ to a guy who was going to put it in his explorer... he said that the coil springs were the same distance apart on the XJ and the explorer. So if want you could probably try to find a TJ rubicon D44 front axle.. stay away from '78 and '79 ford half ton D44's (bronco/F150).. any year before that is good.
 

iamsparticus

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Ogden,Ut
Cool so a high pinion D30 out of a Xj works, what year and how much did you sell your for? I wonder if it would be hard to hook up the radius arms on to that axle
 

STAG

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it was an '87 and I sold it for $50 complete from brake rotor to brake rotor.. they are cheap and plentiful out there.. and no, not hard for the radius arms.. but I know I would much rather prefer a link suspension over radius arms any day.
 

iamsparticus

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Ogden,Ut
Wow

So i did some more research and the explorer is teh easiest SAS i have ever seen!:eek: I mean the coils are already there and most just use radius arms, other than a track bar thats all it needs. But what are the explorers weak points:-\ What gearing needs to be replaced, transfer axle gears, and does the steering box need to be plated? Any weak points i should know of for running 33's maybe 35's:confused:
 

phatfoto

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Tooele
Let me fill in a few things. TTB in the Explorer was 91-94. 95 and up is the IFS. In the RANGERS, TTB lasted until 97, and then they too went IFS. The Dana 35 in the TTB is plenty stout for mild wheeling, and good for up to 33" tires. Common gears for the TTB D35 are 3.55s, 3.73s can be found in Explorers with tow packages. And 4.10s can be had in Rangers with the 4 bangers...

The Dana 30 from the Cherokees isn't a bad axle, lots of people in the RBV (Ranger Based Vehicle) world bag on the D30 like it'll explode just looking at it. Its not that bad, get the later model years with the bigger Ujoints in the axles and you won't have many issues. As long as you drive it sensibly. But the D30 *IS* a weaker choice. Mainly because of the axle tube size and the ring and pinion sizes are fairly small.

Why use a D30 then? The coil spring spacing is nearly identical to the Ranger/Explorer. The front driveshaft for any RBV with the D35 will bolt right up the D30. Shocks are about the same places too. And the existing brake hoses bolt right up. And, you can use the D30 tierod and drag link. You will need a left side Ranger tierod end on the drag link to match the taper of the Explorer pitman arm.

You will need to fab a trackbar. You shouldn't need to plate the frame for the steering box, but it never hurts. And, it provides an easy place to mount the trackbar to. After that is the long arm setup. It will be difficult to make the Explorer radius arms work with the D30. However, lots of folks use the Cherokee type long arms and fab frame side brackets. Nobody makes a kit to make the D30 work under the RBVs... But someone should. One last major detail. The springs for the Explorer will be super stiff with a solid axle. The TTB acts like levers and the srprings are REAL stiff. Some 3-4" (or taller depending on what you want) Grand Cherokee springs will be better suited since the Grand Cherokee springs are about an inch taller than the Cherokee, and the Grand is heavier. The spring cup on the frame will need to be altered since the Jeep springs seem to be "upside down" compared to the RBV springs.

I was going to do this very thing to my own Ranger with 6" lift. I have some 6" XJ coils and figure I could make some sort of XJ like spring retainer. And I still might do this swap if I get another Ranger or Bronco 2 soon.

I know of 2 Explorers running around locally with D30s under them, and they are both hack jobs. Doesn't mean they don't work, but one really looks unsafe, someone managed to line up the factory links with homemade mounts on the frame. Also, the Explorer is quite a bit heavier than even the Grand Cherokee. So seriously consider an axle truss for the D30.
 
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iamsparticus

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Ogden,Ut
man thank you for the write up phatfoto this confrims alot of what i have been reading, i was planing on useing the long cherokee radius arms but i did't know the drive shaft and brake lines hooked right up that makes it all the more cheaper and easy, i think we will go with the D30 and make some frame mounts, and i heard that the early bronco upper coil buckets work good
 

5.0explorer

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Wow! pretty much everything phatphoto said is exactly what i'm in the process of doing! LOL Im going to use a Rubicon Express type long radius arm setup. Mostly just in the process of gathering parts right now. I just finished the 5.0V8 AOD swap, so for now its just got 3" body lift with 2" coil spacers and 2" shackles in the rear. Also did the Jeep warn hub conversion to the front. It actually does better than I expected off road but I can't wait for the SAS! Anyway keep us posted on progress :)
 

iamsparticus

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Ogden,Ut
Yeah i'm stoked, i need to get a hold of my buddy and see if he has found anything, i saw like 16 1994 explorers on ksl all for 3000 or less decent miles too, but i will let you know when we start the build and what we use
 

reejerey

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Midvale
just as a side note, the dana 35 in a ford explorer uses a lot of dana 44 parts. For my 92, I've looked at doing a solid axle swap, but I wouldn't bother unless I got a HP dana 44 and had it cut down to use early bronco axle shafts. I don't see why there's so much hate on the ttb under the explorers, the shafts, gears, and carrier are all stronger than a solid dana 30.

The dana 44 out of an early bronco is a good candidate for a swap also, but unless i'm totally mistaken they aren't high pinion/reverse cut, and they're getting pretty hard to find, which is why I was thinking of cutting down a high pinion fullsize 44 to use the same shafts as an eb for easy availability of replacement parts if something breaks away from home.
 
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iamsparticus

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Ogden,Ut
I agree but the problem reejerey is that it is way expensive to lift the TTB, and i think you are right a early bronco D44 is the way to go, but as for the project it got put on hold my buddy decided to buya car first, lame i know, but i still like the impute, he still wants to build one just later
 

reejerey

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Midvale
Yeah the cost for the front end lift for the ttb's is up there, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what to do with my ex. I can't decide if the cost of the 44 swap would be cheaper than the cost of lifting the ttb. The biggest benefit is that if you properly set up the solid axle, you get rid of the alignment issues that one runs into with a ttb. If you do swap to a solid axle, plan on lifting at least 6 inches so that when you compress the driver's side you don't have issues with clearance to the diff.
 

iamsparticus

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Ogden,Ut
I did a ton of research on this and if you get a D44 out a bronco and use grand cherokee front lift springs, XJ long arm radius arms from rusty's, not the normal ones go to the custom links section they are cheaper for some weird reason, and lengthen the drive shaft and reuse as much as possible for the rest, you come out about 800, and that could be cheaper if you find stuff all used as a ttb lift is 1000 to 1200 for a good one, so thats how i decided to go with the SAS and every one said they loved it.
 
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