Gold Bar Rim, "the water fall"

[zukijames]

on my rig i had 49.99 harbor freight winches front and rear to suck down.. front i usually left about 4 inches of slack and didnt mess with often except on big climbs then i would suck it tell it pulled chassi down about an inch..

but i used the rear one often going down steep drops.. probably poor suspension geometry and poorly tuned air shocks led to the rear unloading .. alot while dropping down stuff


i think a center strap with 3 or 4" would be nice just in case.. i broke my front winch cable at bfe in the dark didnt feel like messing with it .. and it sucked trying to climb the waterfall with my 16 inch air shocks trying to fully un load!

also if you go with a suspension winch. it seems like using a few inches of strap or rope help alot so it has some give to it instead of the cable just breaking

 

[I Lean]

Those little winches actually work surprisingly well. The cable sucks though, I broke mine the first trip out. (on a rear axle suck-down winch) Replaced with 1/4" Amsteel Blue, and never had an issue again.

 

[zukijames]

and if you do break them.. which i have.. you just return it and get a new one.. until now i had no real winch just the 2000lb harbor freight ones.. i have used them to get my rig back on the wheels 3 times but now i moved up to a ramsey 5000lb

 

[N-Smooth]

I've never had a problem on that obstacle but I've seen people randomly struggle on it. That being said...

A center limit strap will change your life!

I just drilled a hole in the passenger side motor mount bracket, welded on a washer (for good measure) and made a tab for the axle side. Very easy and cheap. The strap I got ended up being too long so I just put a couple twists in it and it's good. I probably have it tuned for 1-2" of droop- but f course they have some stretch in them.

Center limit strap and straight vertical shocks are two of the best suspension mods I've made in the past and they were both suggested by RME homies

 

[thenag]

Would a center limit strap help my father in law's tj?

He has a tj with completely stock suspension except for 3 inch spring spacers and a 1 inch body lift? Do the stock short arms move enough for it to matter?

Do you guys make your own straps or order them from somewhere?

xj_nate do you have pics of the straight vertical shock setup on your rig? I can't imagine how to pull that off on my rear...

Thanks

Nathan

 

[N-Smooth]

ughhh i just wrote everything out in the quick reply box and then hit "reply to thread" instead of "post quick reply"... not the first time that has happened.

if the tj is still short arms with stock axle brackets the droop will already be limited. i usually trim the axle brackets so the arms don't hit. i would still run a center strap though. i think the results will be even better on a short wb like a tj. my jeep is little (3" lift w/33's) and i was so impressed with the strap that we just put one on my buddies' similarly built xj. we got our straps from polyperformance. they're not the cheapest but straps aren't something you should cheap-out on anyways. it's still an affordable mod for sure.

the straight vertical shocks were on my old xjuggy. i originally built the rear shocks angled in to the center (for more travel) and a couple people on here schooled me on how the shocks will dampen better the closer to vertical they are. i reluctantly changed the mounts and put them dead vertical and i was super happy with the results. the jeep cornered way better and handled off-camber stuff even better. on full-bodied xj's you have to cut through the floor and build shock hoops. it's more work but it's on my list for my current xj for sure. i'm just hoping to get it caged first cause it will make mounting the shocks that much easier.

 

[I Lean]

For a local source for limit straps, visit Midnight 4x4.

There are some cheap options for straps from Pro Comp, Rancho, etc....DON'T bother buying them. Good quality straps aren't that much more, and they are FAR superior.

 

[Herzog]

For a local source for limit straps, visit Midnight 4x4.

There are some cheap options for straps from Pro Comp, Rancho, etc....DON'T bother buying them. Good quality straps aren't that much more, and they are FAR superior.

This is true. Pro Comp limit straps are only 1 ply and stretch about 5+ inches. I'm not kidding. Those things suck. Midnight has really great quality limit straps.

 

[JL Rockies]

Quoted for posterity.

Don't make fun of Kevin B's typos, he'd never do that to you.

 

[thenag]

the straight vertical shocks were on my old xjuggy. i originally built the rear shocks angled in to the center (for more travel) and a couple people on here schooled me on how the shocks will dampen better the closer to vertical they are. i reluctantly changed the mounts and put them dead vertical and i was super happy with the results. the jeep cornered way better and handled off-camber stuff even better. on full-bodied xj's you have to cut through the floor and build shock hoops. it's more work but it's on my list for my current xj for sure. i'm just hoping to get it caged first cause it will make mounting the shocks that much easier.

That's what I thought, seems like cutting through the floor makes everything possible... I think I would do coil overs if I was going to start cutting into the floor

I have the stock mount on the driver side and the passenger side is stock-ish, just behind the axle instead of in front.

Thanks

 

[skippy]

On my YJ the winch is mounted behind the grill and puts it right where it needs to be to work perfect for a suck down winch. The winch in my mind is the best way to go. That way you can cinch it down tight for crawling or let it out for hauling balls through the whoops

 

[zukijames]

On my YJ the winch is mounted behind the grill and puts it right where it needs to be to work perfect for a suck down winch. The winch in my mind is the best way to go. That way you can cinch it down tight for crawling or let it out for hauling balls through the whoops

he said it perfectly!