Hear about this today?

[crimsonride]

Wow, he had some of the same problems I did growing up.

Hmmm, a regular guy who most of us (except the perfect people) can relate to is president? Imagine that!!

good point. That's the way I see it.

When I hear something like that list I usually disregard it, I'm sure that you can go back in anyone's past and look up all the bad things they did and post them in a list to make them look bad.
I don't approve of everything that Bush does but I think in light of the competittion he's a lot better than Kerry. Also, he's had a lot on his plate with the terrorist attacks. Of course the economy's going to take a dip when airlines, one major part of our industry, are used as suicide weapons to destroy large buildings.
The war, that's another issue though.

 

[utahxjer]

I'm glad we went and got Saddam, he was a murderer, killing his own people, slaughtering them. ( I have a video of him actually executing people tied to poles)

I'll be voting for Bush

 

[andy d]

wow! isn't it nice that we live a country where we can freely talk shmack on the president without fear of imprisonment or execution. unlike the places that we are trying to help. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HEAR, THEN MOVE TO IRAQ. I hear the desert wheeling is pretty good when your own people aren't trying to blow you up with their cars

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Wow, he had some of the same problems I did growing up.

Hmmm, a regular guy who most of us (except the perfect people) can relate to is president? Imagine that!!

Bingo... an actual human as President... he has walked the line...

 

[bobdog]

I will add some!!!!! It's probably been posted before?
Here's Bushes Resume...


com> Cc:

RESUME
> >
> > I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving
> > under the influence of alcohol.
> >
> > I entered a plea of guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
> > license suspended for 30 days.
> >
> > My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
> >
> > MILITARY:
> > I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL.
> > I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about
> > My drug use.
> >
> > By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid
> > combat duty in Vietnam.
> >
> > COLLEGE:
> > I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.
> > I was a cheerleader.
> >
> > PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
> > I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
> > I began my career in the o il business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.
> >
> > I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas.
> > The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
> >
> > I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart
> > deal that took land using taxpayer money.
> >
> > With the help of my father and our rightwing friends in the
> > oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected
> > governor of Texas.
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
> > I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil
> > companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
> >
> > During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most
> > smog ridden city in America.
> >
> > I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of
> > billions in borrowed money.
> >
> > I set the record for the most executions by any governor in
> > American history.
> >
> > With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my
> > father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President
> > after losing by over 500,000 votes.
> >
> > ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office
> > with a criminal record.
> >
> > I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of
> > over one billion dollars per week.
> >
> > I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S.
> > Treasury.
> >
> > I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in
> > U.S. history.
> >
> > I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed
> > in any 12 month period.
> >
> > I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month
> > period.
> >< BR>> > I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the
> > history of the U.S. stock market.
> >
> > In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost
> > their jobs and that trend continues every month.
> >
> > I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of
> > any administration in U.S. history.
> > My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil
> > tanker named after her.
> >
> > I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a
> > U.S. President.
> >
> > I am the all-time U.S. and world record holder for receiving
> > the most corporate campaign donations.
> >
> > My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best
> > friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate
> > bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
> >
> > My political party used Enron private jets and corporate
> > attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme
> > Court during my election decision.
> >
> > I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
> > investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent
> > investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent
> > investigating one of the biggest corporate rip offs in history.
> >
> > I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and
> > refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry
> > was revealed.
> >
> > I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
> > I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be
> > awarded government contracts.
> >
> > I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than
> > any President in U.S. history.
> >
> > I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest
> > bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
> >
> > I've broken more international treaties than any President
> > in U.S. history.
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United
> > Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
> >
> > I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
> >
> > I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war"
> > detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva
> > Convention.
> >
> > I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations
> > election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
> >
> > I set the record for fewest number of press conferences of
> > any President since the advent of television.
> >
> > I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any
> > one year period.
> >
> > After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over
> > the worst security failure in U.S. history.
> >
> > I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World
> > Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S.
> > the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of
> > diplomacy in world history. I have set the all time record for
> > most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public
> > venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest
> > against any person in the history of mankind.
> >
> > I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
> > preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.
> > I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
> > citizens, and the world community.
> >
> > I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support
> > a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in
> > war time. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons
> > for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
> >
> > I am the first President in history to have a majority of
> > Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to
> > world peace and security.
> >
> > I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
> >
> > I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama bin Laden
> > and Saddam Hussein to justice.
> >
> > RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
> > All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my
> > father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.
> >
> > All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading
> > and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable
> > for public view.
> >
> > All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice
> > President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed
> > in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
> >
> > PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.
> >
> >
> > IF YOU HAVEN'T VOTED IN THE PAST, GUESS WHAT-
> > NOW IS THE TIME TO START! ---------

The thing is this stuff is true. I had read about most of it before he was even nominated. Qualifications matter, and being the Governor of Texas (In Texas the Luitenant Gov has more power and responsibility than the Gov) doesen't seem like enough experience to me. You can say nobodys perfect but I think with all the people in this country it would be possibile to find someone that is close. The Republican party nomminated the wrong person in 2000. It seems like big money (some dirty) made the choice before the primarys even started and the guy with experience and integredy lost. There was no good choice on the ballot in 2000 and unfortunately there will be no good choice this November. Lose Lose either way it goes the way I see it.

 

[pokeyYJ]

wow! isn't it nice that we live a country where we can freely talk shmack on the president without fear of imprisonment or execution.

You say this about the stuff I say about Bush,,,,,, But I am willing to bet that you have talked "smack" about things that other Presidents did (Clinton?), what is so different about Bush?

 

[iceaxe]

The thing is this stuff is true. I had read about most of it before he was even nominated. Qualifications matter, and being the Governor of Texas (In Texas the Luitenant Gov has more power and responsibility than the Gov) doesen't seem like enough experience to me. You can say nobodys perfect but I think with all the people in this country it would be possibile to find someone that is close. The Republican party nomminated the wrong person in 2000. It seems like big money (some dirty) made the choice before the primarys even started and the guy with experience and integredy lost. There was no good choice on the ballot in 2000 and unfortunately there will be no good choice this November. Lose Lose either way it goes the way I see it.

I don't know, I got through almost half of it and to throw out a blanket statement by saying this stuff is true to all of that rambling is pretty dangerous. I think I'll go through it again and insert my questions just for kicks and giggles. going on 4 years in office is pretty good experience by the way.

 

[bobdog]

I don't know, I got through almost half of it and to throw out a blanket statement by saying this stuff is true to all of that rambling is pretty dangerous. I think I'll go through it again and insert my questions just for kicks and giggles. going on 4 years in office is pretty good experience by the way.

I don't think there were military drug tests at the time so claiming he refused one is likely not true(On the other hand, the way he was accepted into the airguard and the way he was acceped into pilot training with very poor testing scores is enough to make anyone not born into privilage a little bit angry). Sadddam has basically been brought to justice but probably wasn't at the time of writing. Look in to some of those statements(The pre 2000 ones) you may find your self surprised. The guys bussiness record is very interesting to say the least.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Y..."smack" about things that other Presidents did (Clinton?), what is so different about Bush?

Can you say "Grand F**kin Mistake Escalante"...

There are few things in politics I care about with the exception of land use and access... Bush by FARRRRRRRRR exceeds Clinton and Kerry in this regard...

Some walk, some talk.....

 

[iceaxe]

Stinking popup virus, everytime I try to post some popup jumps up instead and advertises an online casino or anti popup software. Anyway I re-read the whole thing, disagree with much of it, just don't know the facts on some of it, typed up remarks between each line of comments in that whole thing, hit post and went to some popup page instead of posting....
So luckily you are all spared from my opinions but you will miss out on all my witty sarcasms and retorts too

for example

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

We've had WMD for Years, pull your head out of the sand! then I went on to say remember the cold war, remember how Japan surrendered. Then I went on into a discussion of a nuclear Bunker busting device use verses exhisting nuclear stand off weaponry and effectiveness/purpose of each for WMD....

another example

I have set the all time record for
> > most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public
> > venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest
> > against any person in the history of mankind.

President Reagan was the previous record holder for protests against him during his hardline approach to the cold war but everybody forgets that fact. I almost want to say that even more people demonstrated agains Reagan but I can't remember for sure, it was during the Funeral that they were showing that info on TV.

In a nutshell I think that document was written by a slightly less than exceptionally bright individual and only take it at face value, some dudes opinions mingled with out of context and unreferenced facts lacking supporting information or footnotes.


Now if Spybot did it's job i'll post this and go get ready to hit the trail with NAXJA this weekend.

 

[iceaxe]

Just keeps bugging me so here is another example or two

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.

So stinking what! I think it is safe to say if not completely accurate to say that many better men have run for Congress and lost. It probably even happens to the best each election year. again, so what...

> > I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas.
> > The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Bush started his oil career in 75? during the oil crisis? ok perhaps it was a good market then but have you been to Midland or Odessa - I drove through Midland in 90-91 a couple times and the impression I had of downtown was - ghost city - we lovingly called Odessa "Oh dessolation" The oil companies boomed and busted, he wasn't the only one. (no offense to Texans, I got there as soon as I could but unfortunantly had to leave and didn't actually see Odessa but heard all about the tap water in both cities) As far as selling his stock I personally wouldn't blame a guy from jumping off a sinking ship. Are you supposed to ignore the warning signs and loose everything? Tell me you wouldn't sell stock that didn't appear to be a good investment anymore. This could imply trade violations or he could be just saying it for negative effect, but I don't know the facts of the situation and he doesn't support the statement with any details.

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in
> > American history.

I can believe this one but I for one think it is an admirable trait of Texas government. Has this guy never heard the phrase "Dont Mess With Texas"? Now to write it in a way to put all the negativity on Pres. Bush is just absurd, that policy wasn't created by him was it? I understood it as a long standing Texas tradition when I was there. If it was a bad thing then are not other people responsible like the rest of the State of Texas Govt. legislature and supporting citizenry?

Most of those statements are simular in the way they seem to suggest President Bush was personally responsible for everything "bad" including 9-11 and the economy ignoring the facts; economical and political conditions leading to current events obviously predated the current administration, there are two other branches of Govt involved in governing this country, and things may have turned out the same with a Democrat in office anyway!

I could continue but things to do, all ya'all have a good weekend and hit a trail or two.

 

[andy d]

But I am willing to bet that you have talked "smack" about things that other Presidents did (Clinton?)

yeah, I had plenty to say about the man, like he's a lying, draft dodging, perverted sexual predator. and I still say it. but that is about the man, not the office that he held, or the administration that he appointed. and that is why I am greatful to live in this country, where I have freedom of speach. I never tried to stir the pot when we went to war to help opressed people under other presidents. when we get done in Iraq I may find some things to complain about, we may have gone to war just because george w had a grudge against sodamn insane. but i don't care. the people there needed help and we were the ones strong enough to do it. I don't remember such an uproar about somalia, or bosnia, and i'm sure that they did wonders for the economy. so what if he takes alot of vacations, he gets things done. Clinton on the other hand was on the golf course and could not be reached when the special forces had the cross hairs on Osama and they needed his permission to fire. so maybe, if clinton had been getting the job done, we would still have two very tall buildings in NY. but I guess he was getting another kind of "job" done. that in my eyes is a very big difference between the two.

and about the econmy, if I remember correctly, WWl helped bring us out of the depression.

 

[bobdog]

Bush started his oil career in 75? during the oil crisis? ok perhaps it was a good market then but have you been to Midland or Odessa - I drove through Midland in 90-91 a couple times and the impression I had of downtown was - ghost city - we lovingly called Odessa "Oh dessolation" The oil companies boomed and busted, he wasn't the only one. (no offense to Texans, I got there as soon as I could but unfortunantly had to leave and didn't actually see Odessa but heard all about the tap water in both cities) As far as selling his stock I personally wouldn't blame a guy from jumping off a sinking ship. Are you supposed to ignore the warning signs and loose everything? Tell me you wouldn't sell stock that didn't appear to be a good investment anymore. This could imply trade violations or he could be just saying it for negative effect, but I don't know the facts of the situation and he doesn't support the statement with any details.



QUOTE]


It isn't just that the guys business did not work out(It did for him just not for the people that took the risks and put up the money) The disturbing thing for me is who gave the capital (over and over again when it was apparent that the guy could not run an oil company) and why. You are aware that selling your stock based on info that is not available to the general public is a felony arent you? I am familiar with the story and I don't see any other way to look at it other than illegal insider trading.

 

[harkinoff]

Well... I figured that list would cause a heated debate.. There is always going to be two sides to a story, it just comes down to which side you wish to accept or what facts back the story.. The one topic that caught my eye was with his buddies at Enron and how they compared it with Monica Lewinsky, pretty sad.. How many Presidents were know for there women but never was there a real issue brought up until Clinton? Sure some of the facts in the list are questionable, there is always going to be questions.....
Well since we are now talking politics, what are your all views on NAFTA, and the creation of FTAA? Bush is a big supporter and is pushing its passing in 2005.. This new world order sounds like the end of us in my opinion...

here is an interesting sight to look at.. What's your thought on this issue...
Oh and boy did this turn into a Hyjack...

www.stoptheftaa.org

 

[andy d]

Well since we are now talking politics, what are your all views on NAFTA, and the creation of FTAA? Bush is a big supporter and is pushing its passing in 2005.. This new world order sounds like the end of us in my opinion...

here is an interesting sight to look at.. What's your thought on this issue...
Oh and boy did this turn into a Hyjack...

www.stoptheftaa.org

sounds pretty interesting, i will definately need to look into it more.
anywho, we moved the politics to chit-chat.