I miss having a truck...

Greg

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Thought we would have discussion about some of the thoughts rattling around in my head... feel free to join in if you like. :)

I really love the FZJ and it's truly one of the most beefy, built 'factory' vehicles on the planet, but I do miss having the use of a truck bed. I have a utility trailer, but the convince of a pickup would be so much better than a trailer.

I'd be looking for a multi-purpose use vehicle, with the main usage being for weekend camping trips, followed be hauling motorcycles, moving materials out to our property, exploring around UT/CO, etc, etc. It would eventually see road trips down to Baja and explore the backroads down there. It may tow the beater buggy that's in the works, but shouldn't see a load over 5-6k pounds.

I really want a vehicle that gets decent mileage, has good power and well... is a noisy diesel. :D Two reasons for wanting a diesel... the fuel mileage and the torque. I'd really prefer a truck that wasn't massive, for use on the trail, but there aren't too many midsize diesel options available in the US. A short bed is a must for me. The bottom line is that whatever I end up with, it must be reliable... the FZJ80 has almost 200k on it and I wouldn't hesitate to drive cross-country in it. I'd want similar reliability out of the truck as well.

The options I'm considering are few... I do want something affordable, as I plan to built it up somewhat so it's capable on the trail and need to keep the initial purchase price low enough that I have some left over money to set up the truck.

I do want a truck with a somewhat modern interior and clean body. I think an extended cab would work for us just fine. I've mostly ruled out a Dodge Ram with a Cummins, due to the crappy interior quality, front suspension issues and heavy weight. I'm not a Ford fan and don't know much about the Powerstroke engine and all its intricacies, so I'm not too excited about that option, but it would be easy to overcome my Ford dislike since swapping a Dana 60 into a F250 isn't all that hard. Wouldn't take too much work to have a nice truck with beefy axles and a diesel engine for good power & economy.

About the only option that I really like is a late 90's GM truck with a 6.5l turbo diesel. Most everyone knows the 6.5's aren't the most reliable diesels, nor do they compete with the Cummins or Powerstroke when turning up the power or towing a massive load. I think for my needs, the 6.5 would be fine, as well as return some of the best MPG's out of the other options.

Other pluses about the GM trucks, besides the IFS, are the other drivetrain components. Most 6.5's have a 4L80e behind them which is a very beefy auto, or a NV4500 5 speed, which is a killer manual transmission. The t-case is usually a NP241, which is a strong t-case with a great low range ratio. I would do a solid axle swap and dump the crappy IFS. There are a few Chevy SAS kits out there that allow a person to swap in a Ford Dana 60, which would be ideal. Obviously a SAS adds a lot of $$$$ to the picture.

As far as rounding out the rest of the package, I think I'd really like to run 37's to make the most out of the approach/breakover/departure angles. I would prefer to keep the truck as low as possible for a good center of gravity, but I'm not sure how well 37's would fit into the wheel wells with a low lift height. My roof top tent, winch, HID lights, on-board shower and all car-camping gear would get transferred over.

I would have to sell the FZJ to make this happen and would have to find the 'right' truck before committing. I think that if I did all this, I would regret selling the FZJ... it's such an incredible vehicle! But a truck would be so much nicer to have.

So that's what I'm considering at the moment... anyone want to weigh in?
 

Greg

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Here's one of the Ford's I really like. It's a '97 F250 with a 7.3 Powerstroke and a 5 speed transmission. Swap in a Dana 60, a few inches of lift and a set of 37's. Sounds pretty decent to me... price is $5300/obo.

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And this is a '97 Chevy with a 6.5l turbo diesel, 4L80e, NP241 (I think)... do a SAS, toss in a Dana 60, 37's, etc. This specific truck has had a bunch or recent engine work and is priced at $5600.

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Chevycrew

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WVC, UT
Its hard to keep the lift low with a chevy SAS, and about the only good axle to keep turning radius (with leafs) is the high $$$ 78-79 hp 60.

Move the front axle forward 3" you would be ok with about 6" of lift and 37's

If you go this route, I have tons of tips and tricks to keep the cost down, and parts availability easy...
 

LT.

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It sounds like you are wanting something like a Swiss Army knife in a truck. Something that can do it all, jack of all trades master of none. Seems like what you are looking for is not offered in the US. Perhaps a turbo Diesel Toyota crew cab. Small body for the tighter trails, torque, some bed space, good mileage, reliable, comfortable interior, updated, newer sheet metal, and with some aftermarket support. These vehicles are offered over seas but, not here. The last one I even saw a video of was in Australia during the Out Back Challenge.

Another vehicle you might see if you can find is an FJ-45. I believe that was a Land Cruiser with a small bed on the back. The last one I saw went for a small fortune though.

LT.
 

Greg

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It sounds like you are wanting something like a Swiss Army knife in a truck. Something that can do it all, jack of all trades master of none. Seems like what you are looking for is not offered in the US. Perhaps a turbo Diesel Toyota crew cab. Small body for the tighter trails, torque, some bed space, good mileage, reliable, comfortable interior, updated, newer sheet metal, and with some aftermarket support. These vehicles are offered over seas but, not here. The last one I even saw a video of was in Australia during the Out Back Challenge.

Another vehicle you might see if you can find is an FJ-45. I believe that was a Land Cruiser with a small bed on the back. The last one I saw went for a small fortune though.

LT.


You've summed it up nicely... :( A Toyota Hilux 4 door with a factory solid axle and Toyota turbo diesel would leave a smile on my face that would be hard to wipe off.

I love the FJ45's and there are several running around the valley here, but they are very spartan. I do want something with a nice interior that one could spend all day sitting in.



A later model s10 pickup, with a sas and a 4bt would fit the bill, but blow the budget!

I have actually looked at a 4 door S10 and wondered if the 4.3 would be sufficient for my needs... no diesel of course. I'm not sure that I want to get into as big of a project as you mention, but it sure would be cool!
 

OREGON85

from OREGON
Maybe you need to upgrade your utility trailer. It'd be cheaper, and you could keep your Toyota.

What ever happened to Mahindra Pickups that were supposed to have been here two years ago? That sounds kind-of like what your looking for.
 
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Tacoma

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far enough away
a '98 Ford F350 would already have a 60 in it, and have the full evolution of the last PowerStroke-- also not a huge powerhouse, but they seem to hold up pretty well. :D

I am not wowed by the interiors on really any of that era's interiors, but they're all just fine. The Ford interiors are usefully laid out at least. And extended cabs mean enough room to put some decent seats in. When I changed out the seats in my GM dually, it was like a whole new truck. :D Huge difference.

anyway. I approve of the plan. If it was me, and I know this will be unbelievable, I would seriously consider the Fords.
 

Greg

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Its hard to keep the lift low with a chevy SAS, and about the only good axle to keep turning radius (with leafs) is the high $$$ 78-79 hp 60.

Move the front axle forward 3" you would be ok with about 6" of lift and 37's

If you go this route, I have tons of tips and tricks to keep the cost down, and parts availability easy...

Seems like the '78-79 Ford 60's are coming down in price... at least.

What do you know about the actual SAS? I found 2 kits, but they're spendy and avoiding that would be nice. I'd stick with leafs, just due to the expense of links, etc.

The 2 SAS kits I've found are...

FabWorx - http://www.fabworxoffroad.com/product.php?id_product=12 (website not up currently)

ORU- http://www.offroadunlimited.com/orustore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=1160&idproduct=10789



Maybe you need to upgrade your utility trailer. It'd be cheaper, and you could keep your Toyota.

What ever happened to Mahindra Pickups that were supposed to have been here two years ago? That sounds kind-of like what your looking for.

I think I'm almost ready to move on with the Toyota.... it's sluggish and gets 10-11 MPG. Amazingly capable, but slow and poor mileage. I love it, but it's not the most exciting or efficient thing to drive.

I dig the Mahindra trucks, but they're way too small. I think I'm OK with trying to squeeze a fullsize truck into the places I like to go.
 

Greg

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a '98 Ford F350 would already have a 60 in it, and have the full evolution of the last PowerStroke-- also not a huge powerhouse, but they seem to hold up pretty well. :D

I am not wowed by the interiors on really any of that era's interiors, but they're all just fine. The Ford interiors are usefully laid out at least. And extended cabs mean enough room to put some decent seats in. When I changed out the seats in my GM dually, it was like a whole new truck. :D Huge difference.

anyway. I approve of the plan. If it was me, and I know this will be unbelievable, I would seriously consider the Fords.

If I could find a F350 with a extended cab and a short bed, for a decent price, I'd consider it. Seems like they're far & few in between. I like the late '90's body style, they look pretty good IMO. The interiors have to be better than the Dodges... :rofl:

Upgrading the seats would be lovely... reclining Corbeaus with heated elements... :greg:

I've been a Ford dis-liker for a LONG time... it pains me to consider buying a Ford. :ugh:
 

Tacoma

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It pains me somewhat to actually recommend them, but there is a lot to be said for the later pre-StupidDuty Superduties. :D

I don't think they had shortbeds available though. :(
 

Greg

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It pains me somewhat to actually recommend them, but there is a lot to be said for the later pre-StupidDuty Superduties. :D

I don't think they had shortbeds available though. :(

No short bed = no dice. I want whatever I get to be somewhat maneuverable.

A '97 f-350 four door short bed would be my choice. Finding a clean might be a task though.

4 doors would be nice, but again too long for me and too much space. It's just me, the wife and the dog. An extended cab would work just fine and be more trail friendly.
 

mbryson

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If I could find a F350 with a extended cab and a short bed, for a decent price, I'd consider it. Seems like they're far & few in between. I like the late '90's body style, they look pretty good IMO. The interiors have to be better than the Dodges... :rofl:

Late '90s like a '99? They don't have ext. cab, short beds as far as I know? Crew cab short bed, yes.

The '92-97 body style seems like it fits that mold as well? It'd be a project, but I bet you could get a long bed and mount a short bed on it? Whack the leftover frame off? Or just pull the long bed off, and utility bed it. That could actually turn out pretty nice for your uses?

Upgrading the seats would be lovely... reclining Corbeaus with heated elements... :greg:

Stupid Duty seats ROCK compared to the Dodge I have.

I've been a Ford dis-liker for a LONG time... it pains me to consider buying a Ford. :ugh:

After putting 120k on my Stupid Duty with 7.3L, I'd snag another one pdq. I'd get a longbed, crew, stickshift, though. Bring a spare CPS with you wherever you go (and a 10 mm socket/ratchet).
 

Jesser04

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Location
Kaysville Utah
No short bed = no dice. I want whatever I get to be somewhat maneuverable.



4 doors would be nice, but again too long for me and too much space. It's just me, the wife and the dog. An extended cab would work just fine and be more trail friendly.

I'd be curious to know how much longer they are 8-10" maybe. I think a big dog climbing in the back of a extra cab would get old. I could be wrong but I don't remember those trucks having a 3rd door option.
 

Greg

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Late '90s like a '99? They don't have ext. cab, short beds as far as I know? Crew cab short bed, yes.

The '92-97 body style seems like it fits that mold as well? It'd be a project, but I bet you could get a long bed and mount a short bed on it? Whack the leftover frame off? Or just pull the long bed off, and utility bed it. That could actually turn out pretty nice for your uses?

Stupid Duty seats ROCK compared to the Dodge I have.

After putting 120k on my Stupid Duty with 7.3L, I'd snag another one pdq. I'd get a longbed, crew, stickshift, though. Bring a spare CPS with you wherever you go (and a 10 mm socket/ratchet).

I should have been more specific, I don't know the Ford bodystyle years very well. I like the looks of the '92-97, much like the red truck above. Prefer the later year models out of that range.

I'm not sure I'd really want to turn a longbed into a shortbed, sounds like too much work!


I'd be curious to know how much longer they are 8-10" maybe. I think a big dog climbing in the back of a extra cab would get old. I could be wrong but I don't remember those trucks having a 3rd door option.

I understand what you're saying, but I still think a 4 door is overkill for me and my needs.... and our dog isn't that big, she's mid-size. :D They don't have a 3rd door, but I'm OK with that.
 

Greg

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Extra cab F350 was only available with dualies and short bed 4 door only came as an F250. '99 they added a bunch of new configurations.

Good to know... guess I'll quit looking for pre-'99 Ext Cab shortbeds. :D

Perhaps the idea of cutting down a longbed extended cab F350 isn't so bad? It would just be a matter of moving the rear axle forward. I wonder how involved the spring hangers would be, in that aspect? Ditch the factory bed and perhaps build a nice flatbed, like an Aussie tray back? Here's a decent example of what I'm thinking.

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I could line the sides with truck boxes, for lockable storage and permanent sides.
 

benjy

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Moab
I'd be looking for a multi-purpose use vehicle... exploring around UT/CO, etc, etc. It would eventually see road trips down to Baja and explore the backroads down there.

I think I'm OK with trying to squeeze a fullsize truck into the places I like to go.

I just don't see you taking a full size truck the places you've had the Toyota. Lugging a full size truck around the back country is simply a chore, and we only do it when absolutely necessary. It gets to the point where I would rather tow the 26' enclosed just to get the jeep wherever we're going, even if it's only forest roads.
 

Greg

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I just don't see you taking a full size truck the places you've had the Toyota. Lugging a full size truck around the back country is simply a chore, and we only do it when absolutely necessary. It gets to the point where I would rather tow the 26' enclosed just to get the jeep wherever we're going, even if it's only forest roads.

While I agree that it will be limited, it would be to a point. I would have to pass on some places, but I think I could go almost everywhere in a truck that I can take the FZJ. Mostly I'm thinking about the San Juans, 4x4 roads around Moab (Elephant Hill, Beef Basin, etc). My personal qualifier for a capable vehicle is something that can go down (and perhaps up?) Rose Garden Hill. I wouldn't tackle the Golden Spike or anything like that, but more true 4x4 roads.

There simply aren't any mid-size diesel options! :( I would live something about the size of an older Toyota Tundra with a turbo diesel and a solid front axle... but since nobody builds that, I'd have to... and that's a massive project.
 
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