offroaddave
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Let's talk about it.
Immigration Debate.
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Brett
Meat-Hippy
- Location
- Salt Lake City Utah
Illegal is illegal in my book. If the people that aren't hear legally have a problem with this, then that's their own fault for jumping borders, wherever they came from. Since this is mainly the Mexican crowd lately, what's the point of protesting holding up Mexican flags? If you are that proud of your country, then head back on down.
CJJ92yj
Registered User
- Location
- Kearnsville
I have no problem with helping people out. That's what America is all about to me. But there's a system of going about it. Seems to me like all the illegals are too much of a strain on our economy to make us want to keep them illegal. If they love it here so much, it shouldn't be that big of a deal to get legalized. I agree, get legal, or GTFO.
olywrestle
Duct Tape
- Location
- Syracuse, Utah
What needs to happen is we need to figure out how to stop it rather than trying to kick out all of those that are already here. This problem should have been taken care of many years ago.
Then, we need to make it a more simplified process to become legal. Wehn I brought my wife from Canada it was ridiculous and was a process that spanned 3 years! I couldn't even figure out what forms to fill out etc etc. I could only imagine if I was a foreigner that only had basic english skills what it woudl be like.
Then, we need to make it a more simplified process to become legal. Wehn I brought my wife from Canada it was ridiculous and was a process that spanned 3 years! I couldn't even figure out what forms to fill out etc etc. I could only imagine if I was a foreigner that only had basic english skills what it woudl be like.
I agree with whats been said, illegal is illegal and does not need to be here putting a strain on our economy and our resources. I also agree, the process needs to be simplified, but this is our nation's security we are talking about, how simplified do you want it? 
The main thing that bothers me about having ANY foreigner in OUR country is when they try to make it "like home". This is our country, and if you plan to be here you better learn and obey our rules, laws, and regulations. You also better learn our language and accept the American culture. If your "home" is so great then get back there and don't come back here till you are ready to do it legally.
The main thing that bothers me about having ANY foreigner in OUR country is when they try to make it "like home". This is our country, and if you plan to be here you better learn and obey our rules, laws, and regulations. You also better learn our language and accept the American culture. If your "home" is so great then get back there and don't come back here till you are ready to do it legally.
olywrestle
Duct Tape
- Location
- Syracuse, Utah
I agree 100% with that.Supergper said:I agree with whats been said, illegal is illegal and does not need to be here putting a strain on our economy and our resources. I also agree, the process needs to be simplified, but this is our nation's security we are talking about, how simplified do you want it?
When I say simple, I do not mean cutting corners for security. I mean, not having 700 different forms to choose from and figuring out which ones to fill out. and then 2 years later remembering and figuring out another form to send in. stuff like that. the other problem with becomign legal is that it takes money....and usually if they are illegal they have no money, then they get to the US and only make $3-4 an hour, and they hardly have enough to survive, so they use Gov't programs, can't afford to get legal, keep tapping gov't resources, etc etc etc. It is a vicious cycle and would be a very difficult situation to be in.
Rickomatic
Grey is cool!
- Location
- West Jordan
Supergper said:I agree with whats been said, illegal is illegal and does not need to be here putting a strain on our economy and our resources. I also agree, the process needs to be simplified, but this is our nation's security we are talking about, how simplified do you want it?
The only problem I have with this statement is that it uses common sense. We all know that common sense does not work with extremist like those who are pushing for the rallies and protests to get their point of view out.
MR.CJ-7
Your Realtor
- Location
- Woods Cross, UT
I have no problems with LEGAL immigration, I work with many foreign students on a daily basis. That being said the ILLEGALS need to G.T.F.O. Why reward and illegal act? Giving amenesty only reinforces the behavior of coming illegally by saying if you break the law, and lie about it and evade the legal system long enough then you win and are a citizen. I raise the B.S. flag high to that!
Again since this seems to be largely a mexican issue, I say don't turn this land into another Mexico. What's wrong with Mexico? I don't know, but why not ask all the illegals leaving everyday!
Just my humble opinion, of course I could be wrong!
:redneck:
Again since this seems to be largely a mexican issue, I say don't turn this land into another Mexico. What's wrong with Mexico? I don't know, but why not ask all the illegals leaving everyday!
Just my humble opinion, of course I could be wrong!
:redneck:
CJJ92yj
Registered User
- Location
- Kearnsville
Anyone else get this e-mail. I got it just now.
What's wrong with 3 families living in the same house and not taking care of it? I don't mind the neighborhood going to pot.
What's wrong with going to a fast food joint at asking for a Hamburger with no pickles and large coke and getting a corn dog with lemonade.
What's wrong with paying higher taxes to support these people who are illegally here.
Why is it that my 5 year old needs to learn spanish in preschool.
Why is it when I call to a spanish speaking home that the phone is given to the 7 year old to translate.
My mom's neighbor has more than a dozen cats but they want to keep all of them. At least that is how she understood it.
Come here legally, pay taxes, improve your surroundings and try to learn the language.
Beuno Dias
What's wrong with going to a fast food joint at asking for a Hamburger with no pickles and large coke and getting a corn dog with lemonade.
What's wrong with paying higher taxes to support these people who are illegally here.
Why is it that my 5 year old needs to learn spanish in preschool.
Why is it when I call to a spanish speaking home that the phone is given to the 7 year old to translate.
My mom's neighbor has more than a dozen cats but they want to keep all of them. At least that is how she understood it.
Come here legally, pay taxes, improve your surroundings and try to learn the language.
Beuno Dias
CJJ92yj said:
I have not received it yet, but the political talk shows are discussing, and aside from the date they say it is true.
something like 1918 and not 1907, but that is niether here nor there, the content is what counts and should be followed by new imigrants.
olywrestle said:
My understanding is that they can go to a consulate in THEIR country and get help with all the paper work and the whole process so they dont need that great of english skills cause they would be doing it in their native tounge!! However I am a big supporter of live in a area learn the local language and Americas language is english! I have about a half dozen friends that were born and spent the first part of their lives in their native countries and they speak great english and and their native tounge and are contributing members of society(legal). But like you all said by not enforcing the law "ILLEGAL" immigrant we are encouraging it. In my opinion someone that is not here leagly DOES NOT have any legal rights or constitutional protection therefore cant sue or change the law or any of that crap they are trying to pull!! What make them go important that they dont have to wait in line at the INS and Border patrol and fill out their paperwork like everyone else are they really that special??????? Am I missing something??? I say take a many buses to these protest and start to ID everyone and deport those that are illegal, like shooting a fish in a barrel! Not to mention by not securing our borders whos to say that a a terrorist wont come via the mexican/us border??? I say put up a Big ass brick and constintina wire fence/wall the whole way with motion sensing gatling guns and spot lights, make the berlin wall look like a picket fence!!!!!! I want to be safe and not worry about taking care of someone else, and I am not saying that everyone crossing the border illegaly is not got to work and be a criminal but if your intentions are good you have nothing to fear by doing it the right way!!! Does anyone know what the deal with the "protesters" in front of different business all up and down state street are about??? The sign are almost identical except the busniess name they say "shame on {insert busniess here} labor dispute" always about 3 people of hispanic origin and they seem to move from business to business, is it a ligitamate dispute???
...................................sorry had to vent there
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Found this on another forum, funny.
Dear President Bush:
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this. I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, Immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:
1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.
I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting with your V.P.
Thank you so much for your kind help.
Dear President Bush:
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this. I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, Immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:
1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.
I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting with your V.P.
Thank you so much for your kind help.
JPNGRL44
Unhealthy Obsession
- Location
- Stuck in Utah Valley
Amen !!!!!
waynehartwig
www.jeeperman.com
- Location
- Mead, WA
Everything so far, x2... GTFO! Seriously, if you can't take the time to do it legally, like so many before you have (my ancestors for example) then leave! Illegal means illegal!
When I saw them marching on the news the other night, I thought to myself 'now is the time to bomb downtown SLC'. That's wrong, and I shouldn't think like that...But you know, I'm tired of hearing about all of these illegals wants and needs!
When I saw them marching on the news the other night, I thought to myself 'now is the time to bomb downtown SLC'. That's wrong, and I shouldn't think like that...But you know, I'm tired of hearing about all of these illegals wants and needs!
ZUKEYPR
Registered User
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- 651.78 miles East of the Rubicon
1. I had to work directly with the border patrol for 2 years when I was a dog handler at Ft Bliss, Texas. We rounded annually more illegals than any other district. In my two years we only had one incident where we nabbed suspected terrorist................they weren't Mexican, they were Arabic (hmmh, imagine that). At the time they were testing the Stealth fighter which was extremely classified at the time near our location. Anyway, if you think that this is a terrorist issue your dead wrong.
IF you think that they are a burden on our economy I would have to say your partially wrong. The majority of your illegals work, why do I know this, I happened to be friends with one of the very few immigration Officers that are in the valley. He cannot arrest anyone, even if he knows that they are illegal, unless they have committed a felony level offense. Secondly, since they mostly work, they fudge a SSN number. In doing so they are paying monies into social security.........MILLIONS. Monies that they can never collect on when they get of retirement age, therefore the government doesn't want to stop them because they are making big bucks off of it.
As for they need to learn "our" language, you better get used to it because by 2041 hispanics will be the majority of the population of the US. If you know US history this isn't the first time that we had "another" second langauge. Where I am originally from it is common day practice for folks to speak in their native tongue, that being Italian and Polish. What kills me is that the folks who are always pushing laws in favor of bi-langual are not the hispanics, it's the Anglo Saxons.
As for the waiving the mexican flag, I could never understand that either, if you wnan to be a citizen you would think that they would be waiving the US flag. Lastly, knowing quite a few folks that are legally in the country that have been awarded or trying to get US citizenship I can tell you that it is a money business, that could be dragged out for years. I think illegal is illegal but most of these conversations really have nothing to do with that, they are really mexican's versus the rest. Unless you are native american we all came about this country by immigration. BTW, I'm a pure WASP derived from my grandmother from Northern Ireland, 15 minutes from Belfast, so I grew up with all the stories of prejudice to this and that.
IF you think that they are a burden on our economy I would have to say your partially wrong. The majority of your illegals work, why do I know this, I happened to be friends with one of the very few immigration Officers that are in the valley. He cannot arrest anyone, even if he knows that they are illegal, unless they have committed a felony level offense. Secondly, since they mostly work, they fudge a SSN number. In doing so they are paying monies into social security.........MILLIONS. Monies that they can never collect on when they get of retirement age, therefore the government doesn't want to stop them because they are making big bucks off of it.
As for they need to learn "our" language, you better get used to it because by 2041 hispanics will be the majority of the population of the US. If you know US history this isn't the first time that we had "another" second langauge. Where I am originally from it is common day practice for folks to speak in their native tongue, that being Italian and Polish. What kills me is that the folks who are always pushing laws in favor of bi-langual are not the hispanics, it's the Anglo Saxons.
As for the waiving the mexican flag, I could never understand that either, if you wnan to be a citizen you would think that they would be waiving the US flag. Lastly, knowing quite a few folks that are legally in the country that have been awarded or trying to get US citizenship I can tell you that it is a money business, that could be dragged out for years. I think illegal is illegal but most of these conversations really have nothing to do with that, they are really mexican's versus the rest. Unless you are native american we all came about this country by immigration. BTW, I'm a pure WASP derived from my grandmother from Northern Ireland, 15 minutes from Belfast, so I grew up with all the stories of prejudice to this and that.
AINT SKEERED
Balls to the Walls
- Location
- Salt Lake
I was at Lowes the other day, at the cash register they have a sign that says
"point to the sentence you can read"
WTF is that? I put up with my German class simply because its required by my high school. Why is it required? Because students that are bilingual have an easier time getting jobs. That right there is evidence of immigrants taking my job.
Yes I am a white male. Get over it, that doesnt make my opinions racist.
I was born into a more fortunate life than others... that doesnt make my opinion wrong.
I think that their is a general misunderstanding of what the bill actually says. President Bush is actually more leniant towards immigration than republicans would like him to be. If all of the protestors understood this there would be a dramatically different reaction.
"point to the sentence you can read"
WTF is that? I put up with my German class simply because its required by my high school. Why is it required? Because students that are bilingual have an easier time getting jobs. That right there is evidence of immigrants taking my job.
Yes I am a white male. Get over it, that doesnt make my opinions racist.
I was born into a more fortunate life than others... that doesnt make my opinion wrong.
I think that their is a general misunderstanding of what the bill actually says. President Bush is actually more leniant towards immigration than republicans would like him to be. If all of the protestors understood this there would be a dramatically different reaction.