Inside a Detroit Electrac

Herzog

somewhat damaged
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Wydaho
This thing used to be in rear of my parents TJ quite a long time ago. Always had issues it either not unlocking, or locking, popping, etc. Even after a replacement cover / shift fork, etc.

Anyways, it was replaced in favor of an ARB and it's been sitting in my dads shed for quite a while. I brought it home thinking about tearing into and maybe selling it if it were in good shape. I'm definitely not gonna sell it now!

I remember watching how this thing worked back in the day when they introduced it, but I remember it being a tad different than this.
Anyways, the locker is always "locked" when the collar isn't engaged. The collar just keeps a thin retainer from binding and causing the roll pins to bind up on the outer helical gear. So basically it's a friction based locker. When the collar isn't engaged the thin roll pin collar binds up. Pretty interesting. I thought for sure this was going to be the issue with it. Turns out it was working perfectly.

left to right: outer 'shift' collar; raising the helical gear out to see the bind pins; bind pins!
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Next I decided to look at the worm gears inside since that part looked decent, aside from some unusual wear on the outer helical gear...
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What's this crap?
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Needless to say, I'm at a loss on this. I can't tell if this is damage from sub-par material and impurities or what. Each photo is a different worm gear I pulled out. The damage is in the same spots on each gear!

What do you guys think caused it? :)

I have a pretty sweet paper weight here. Maybe I'll make a lamp out of it haha.
 

I Lean

Mbryson's hairdresser
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Utah
That is goofy. Not "broken" anywhere, right? Just missing pieces in the center of each tooth?

I wouldn't sell that in good conscience. Not without knowing what caused that. If it's metallurgy issues that might be fixed with replacement parts, then OK I guess. I'm 100% sure I wouldn't take the time to figure it out, if it were mine though. I'd do the paperweight thing. :D
 

Tonkaman

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Location
West Jordan
At first glance it looks like metal shavings got in there and chipped the gear, but if it's the same in all of them that's seem very odd....
 

Herzog

somewhat damaged
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Location
Wydaho
Fix it , sell it and buy more parts.

This was more of a curiosity tear down anyways :)

That is goofy. Not "broken" anywhere, right? Just missing pieces in the center of each tooth?

I wouldn't sell that in good conscience. Not without knowing what caused that. If it's metallurgy issues that might be fixed with replacement parts, then OK I guess. I'm 100% sure I wouldn't take the time to figure it out, if it were mine though. I'd do the paperweight thing. :D

I wasn't planning on selling it until I tore it apart to see if anything was wrong. And even then, I was tearing it apart as a curiosity.

But yea, not broken, just weird chunks missing from the teeth. It's weird, it's not like it's chipped out either.... either it just chunked in the middle of the teeth like that so I'm guessing metallurgy issue :)

At first glance it looks like metal shavings got in there and chipped the gear, but if it's the same in all of them that's seem very odd....

I agree which is why I posted! I thought it was strange and wanted to share :)

I would guess that was caused by issues with the metal hardness.

Same but I'm no metallurgist.
 

bryson

RME Resident Ninja
Supporting Member
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West Jordan
I've seen similar-looking damage caused by cavitation. Similar issue here maybe, only caused by shock-loads rather than cavitation? It doesn't look like damage caused by debris to me.
 

Herzog

somewhat damaged
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Location
Wydaho
I've seen similar-looking damage caused by cavitation. Similar issue here maybe, only caused by shock-loads rather than cavitation? It doesn't look like damage caused by debris to me.

Yea crazy. This was in the back of my parents TJ so it never really got used hard at all. D44, 35" tires and I think 4.56 gears and very light off-roading... I do recall times where the locker would "pop" and I always figured it was the side gear slipping in the sleeve/pins. I wonder if that's the cause.

It always bothered me because a locker like this shouldn't ever pop. I suppose that's why they don't make them anymore ha!
 
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