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78mitsu

Registered User
Prebuilts make good commuter cars, but if you need performance build your own.

I don't know that that's true, I'll put up my dual core intel dell precision 390 against any hand built machine you have, It's smokin' fast, The only time you should hand-built is if the application requires form factor case, or for cost savings, realizing you're taking a performance hit.
 

Badger

I am the Brute squad
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South Salt Lake
EDIT: If yours goes bad, then what do you do? Buy another $1500 box??

nope if something goes wrong with a component i send it back to were i bought it or the manufacture itself.your Dell isn't going to be replaced on the spot either it will take just as much time to have it repaired.

just because the computer itself cost 1500 to build doesn't mean i have to spend that to get it fixed even if what broke wasn't covered .it comes down to one component most times .I would rather have a hand built machine then some POS pre-built.

as for what Dell uses for parts.I never said anything about chip set,memory,or hard drives did I .yes they might be good parts but its those little parts that you are not thinking about that make those parts run. diodes,capacitors,etc,the actual way the board is made can make a huge difference.the thicker the mother board (most times) the better the board since the separation of electrical path ways are further apart with less chance of a spark jumping paths and causing an issue.

its all up to the person and what you want out of your machine.like i said i play online games and want everything to look as good as it can get and run as clean as possible so i would rather build mine.
 

78mitsu

Registered User
The motherboards that Dell Specs are the same motherboards you would buy from MSI or from Intel or ... (lots of companies OE the same boards) they are all stamped and assembled by Texas instruments - Somewhere in China, I used to subscribe to the same theory hand built is better, a Dell is no different then a hand baked system, I can go to the computer store and buy memory or a hard disk, processor, basically every part is a standard PC part (with the exception of the Power supply which is always backwards, but most good PC places carry a dell clone Power supply.) and while it's under warranty I can call Dell and have a part in my grubby little hands tomorrow.
 

Meat_

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I don't know that that's true, I'll put up my dual core intel dell precision 390 against any hand built machine you have, It's smokin' fast, The only time you should hand-built is if the application requires form factor case, or for cost savings, realizing you're taking a performance hit.

You can get cheap prebuilts, or you can get high performance prebuilts... but you can't get cost effective high performance prebuilts.
 

Meat_

Banned
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The motherboards that Dell Specs are the same motherboards you would buy from MSI or from Intel or ... (lots of companies OE the same boards) they are all stamped and assembled by Texas instruments - Somewhere in China, I used to subscribe to the same theory hand built is better, a Dell is no different then a hand baked system, I can go to the computer store and buy memory or a hard disk, processor, basically every part is a standard PC part (with the exception of the Power supply which is always backwards, but most good PC places carry a dell clone Power supply.) and while it's under warranty I can call Dell and have a part in my grubby little hands tomorrow.

WRONG, every manufacturer that you named off has low end crap and premium stuff, the Dell stuff rates as low end. You will NEVER get bleading edge stuff in any prebuilt that costs less than $5k. Low end crap is fine if you are surfing the web or doing spreadsheets, if you are pounding the hell out of your computer with rendering/video editing/BIG picture editing or gaming an affordable prebuilt can not touch something you put together yourself IF you buy premium parts.
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
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Mead, WA
nope if something goes wrong with a component i send it back to were i bought it or the manufacture itself.your Dell isn't going to be replaced on the spot either it will take just as much time to have it repaired.

just because the computer itself cost 1500 to build doesn't mean i have to spend that to get it fixed even if what broke wasn't covered .it comes down to one component most times .I would rather have a hand built machine then some POS pre-built.

as for what Dell uses for parts.I never said anything about chip set,memory,or hard drives did I .yes they might be good parts but its those little parts that you are not thinking about that make those parts run. diodes,capacitors,etc,the actual way the board is made can make a huge difference.the thicker the mother board (most times) the better the board since the separation of electrical path ways are further apart with less chance of a spark jumping paths and causing an issue.

its all up to the person and what you want out of your machine.like i said i play online games and want everything to look as good as it can get and run as clean as possible so i would rather build mine.

Not true. I had a HDD fail on my laptop two Christmas' ago. I emailed them at 4pm on the 22nd. DHL delivered a new HDD to my door 10am on the 23rd. What's that, 18 hours later??

I had a Dell server that the fans started making noises. I emailed tech support and within 45 minutes I had a local technician calling me to schedule a time to come put the parts in. 1.5 after the email, the parts and technician were on site. 2 hours after that initial email, the parts were in the server and the Dell tech was walking out the door.

As I said before, these are not isolated cases.....This is standard Dell practice.

You're home built PC fails, even if the part is under warranty, you still have to send that part in for repair/replacement and then your PC is down for at least 3 days, and that's if (and they) pay for overnight delivery. Besides, if you are building your own PC, you aren't putting a $80 MB in it...Or if you are, what are we arguing? Because that $80 part is probably a lot less reliable than a Dell. You're probably using a $300 MB that has a 90 day warranty, like all other electronic components.

Don't get me wrong, I've always built my own systems because of the same points you are trying to make - reliabilty, speed, and cost. Anymore Dell blows them away and you're almost stupid not to take advantage of it.

As for Dell PC's being slow, get involved in online gaming or etc. and ask the other people what they are using for their PC's and I bet probably half (3 or 4 out of 10) are using Dell's. Dell's gaming PC's are VERY fast!!! They use hydro carbon and thermoelectric to cool and use special memory just to be able to keep up. This is the same technology they are using in their high end servers. This memory runs so fast, and hot, that the system has to be off for about 45 minutes before you can touch the memory or you will burn the heck out of yourself.

As for components, there are only a few manufactures in the world that make capacitors - I think 3? There aren't that many that make the silicon parts (diodes, transistors, etc) either. As I said before, Dell uses Intel motherboards (they are actually labeled Intel on them) - so does Intel save their crap for Dell and sell the rest of their good stuff elsewhere?
 

Meat_

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Lehi
...You're probably using a $300 MB that has a 90 day warranty, like all other electronic components.
1yr is standard minimum warranty on parts, most have longer
...Don't get me wrong, I've always built my own systems because of the same points you are trying to make - reliabilty, speed, and cost. Anymore Dell blows them away and you're almost stupid not to take advantage of it.
Dell does have an awesome warranty. But if you build with good parts and you know what you are doing, your pc will fail when it's time to scrap it anyway.
...As for Dell PC's being slow, get involved in online gaming or etc. and ask the other people what they are using for their PC's and I bet probably half (3 or 4 out of 10) are using Dell's. Dell's gaming PC's are VERY fast!!! They use hydro carbon and thermoelectric to cool and use special memory just to be able to keep up. This is the same technology they are using in their high end servers. This memory runs so fast, and hot, that the system has to be off for about 45 minutes before you can touch the memory or you will burn the heck out of yourself.
:rofl: Don't even try to pretend that you know anything about hard core gaming, you don't. Ever since Dell and Alienware got together... yes you can buy a decent game rig from Dell, but I can build one that will blow it's doors off for half the price.
...As for components, there are only a few manufactures in the world that make capacitors - I think 3? There aren't that many that make the silicon parts (diodes, transistors, etc) either. As I said before, Dell uses Intel motherboards (they are actually labeled Intel on them) - so does Intel save their crap for Dell and sell the rest of their good stuff elsewhere?
Ford made the Lincoln Town Car, they also made the Pinto.

A mobo saying "Intel" on it used to mean something, it still means something... but it's not the same something.
 
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