offroaddave
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Jessica's law
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offroaddave
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I paid $15.00 for ten,(plus 4.98 for shipping).so two bucks a piece aint bad.
Utah's one of the worst states for prosecuting child preditors.
It's time for everyone to wake up.
Utah's one of the worst states for prosecuting child preditors.
It's time for everyone to wake up.
offroaddave
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Mandatory 25 years first offence, life second offence.
Florida is the only state thar curently has 25 years first offence but a few others have ten years.
Were not talking about an eighteen year old sleeping with his sixteen year old girlfrield.
this generaly applies to any victom under fourteen.
Florida is the only state thar curently has 25 years first offence but a few others have ten years.
Were not talking about an eighteen year old sleeping with his sixteen year old girlfrield.
this generaly applies to any victom under fourteen.
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Is this all the info you have on it? I'm not ready to vote.....offroaddave said:
muleskinner
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offroaddave said:
That doesn’t seem like enough punishment to me. I think it should be castration and death in that order for the first offense.
We need to get these assholes off the streets now.
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A little help for Dave...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/31/earlyshow/main684190.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/31/earlyshow/main684190.shtml
offroaddave
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Thank You.
In response to the recent kidnapping and murder of 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford, Florida lawmakers are taking unprecedented action. They're working on a law that would require registered sex offenders to wear electronic tracking devices at all times.
CBS News Correspondent Kelly Cobiella notes that the search for Jessica lasted 30 days and, in the end, the answer was apparently close to her home.
Police say John Couey confessed to taking Jessica from her bedroom, raping and killing her. He is a registered sex offender, but police had lost track of him weeks earlier, because he was staying with his sister, yards away from Jessica's home.
It was a wake-up call for Florida legislators. The Jessica Lunsford Act would put an electronic monitoring device on every sexual predator released into the community, for as long as 30 years.
Fla. State Rep. Dick Kravitz says, "It adds another layer of protection to our most vulnerable, our kids."
The bill plugs the holes in Megan's Law, which requires sex offenders to list their addresses in a public database.
Megan's law only works, Cobiella explains, if the sex offender lives at his registered address. And it's incumbent upon the public to check. The Florida measure would allow law enforcement to track an offender's every move, no matter where he or she lives.
"We will be able to find them, we will be able to know when they are within a thousand feet of those daycare centers, and those schools, and other places they don't belong," says Ron Book, the father of a victim of a sexual predator.
The legislation wouldn't apply to the 30,000 sex offenders already registered in Florida -- not a perfect solution, lawmakers admit, but a step closer to protecting children like Jessica from sex offenders.
Ernie Allen, the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, tells co-anchor Hannah Storm on The Early Show that this is a nationwide problem.
"There are 400,000 registered sex offenders in the United States," he says, "and an estimated 80 to 100,000 of them are missing. They're supposed to be registered, but we don't know where they are and we don't know where they're living.
"Certainly, someone like John Couey should not have been on the streets. There are too many of these offenders who are getting multiple bites of the apple (committing multiple offenses). ...We need to have meaningful systems for follow-up, for identification, for tracking and for protecting families.
The answer, Allen says, is to "figure out how we can do a better job enforcing these laws, and GPS is certainly technology that can help us do that. Ultimately, whether it's law enforcement, whether it's people follow-up or whether it's technology-based, the reality is at a minimum, we need to know where (sex offenders) are and we need to what they're doing."
I dig the tracking devices! :greg:
CBS News Correspondent Kelly Cobiella notes that the search for Jessica lasted 30 days and, in the end, the answer was apparently close to her home.
Police say John Couey confessed to taking Jessica from her bedroom, raping and killing her. He is a registered sex offender, but police had lost track of him weeks earlier, because he was staying with his sister, yards away from Jessica's home.
It was a wake-up call for Florida legislators. The Jessica Lunsford Act would put an electronic monitoring device on every sexual predator released into the community, for as long as 30 years.
Fla. State Rep. Dick Kravitz says, "It adds another layer of protection to our most vulnerable, our kids."
The bill plugs the holes in Megan's Law, which requires sex offenders to list their addresses in a public database.
Megan's law only works, Cobiella explains, if the sex offender lives at his registered address. And it's incumbent upon the public to check. The Florida measure would allow law enforcement to track an offender's every move, no matter where he or she lives.
"We will be able to find them, we will be able to know when they are within a thousand feet of those daycare centers, and those schools, and other places they don't belong," says Ron Book, the father of a victim of a sexual predator.
The legislation wouldn't apply to the 30,000 sex offenders already registered in Florida -- not a perfect solution, lawmakers admit, but a step closer to protecting children like Jessica from sex offenders.
Ernie Allen, the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, tells co-anchor Hannah Storm on The Early Show that this is a nationwide problem.
"There are 400,000 registered sex offenders in the United States," he says, "and an estimated 80 to 100,000 of them are missing. They're supposed to be registered, but we don't know where they are and we don't know where they're living.
"Certainly, someone like John Couey should not have been on the streets. There are too many of these offenders who are getting multiple bites of the apple (committing multiple offenses). ...We need to have meaningful systems for follow-up, for identification, for tracking and for protecting families.
The answer, Allen says, is to "figure out how we can do a better job enforcing these laws, and GPS is certainly technology that can help us do that. Ultimately, whether it's law enforcement, whether it's people follow-up or whether it's technology-based, the reality is at a minimum, we need to know where (sex offenders) are and we need to what they're doing."
I dig the tracking devices! :greg:
I am about as conservative as them come sometimes...but trackin devices for sex offenders is cruel and unusual punishment. Posting their whereabouts on the internet and their address, and car, and all that bullshiat is just pure horse-shiat!
I am all for locking the suckers up for a good long time but after they have done their time and been rehabilitated, let them get back to living their lives. Jail is supposed to fix people right? Rehab programs are supposed to fix people right? Why keep punishing them by making them wear a "Scarlett Letter"?
I am not a fan of punishing someone above and beyond what is necessary. If we have repeat offenders, we need better rehab programs and longer jail sentences, not tracking devices and radio collars like they put on wild animals!!!
no I am not a sex offender
No I do not have one in the family
No I don't know a single sex offender
I voted for GW.
I am all for locking the suckers up for a good long time but after they have done their time and been rehabilitated, let them get back to living their lives. Jail is supposed to fix people right? Rehab programs are supposed to fix people right? Why keep punishing them by making them wear a "Scarlett Letter"?
I am not a fan of punishing someone above and beyond what is necessary. If we have repeat offenders, we need better rehab programs and longer jail sentences, not tracking devices and radio collars like they put on wild animals!!!
no I am not a sex offender
No I do not have one in the family
No I don't know a single sex offender
I voted for GW.
I say go for it.
They had something about this on the local news around or just after this young girl was taken.
They even interviewed a registered sex offender in this regard and his comment was that he was not fully in support of this, but it has its merits as well as an upside to it.
The upside is that those that are rehabilitated and wearing a tracking device could be cleared of this with out even an interview from the police and therefore left to live out their days with out hassle.
For the police it is a quicker way to narrow down the search for suspects, especially when time is of the essence.
If the device could be made very inconspicuous and not be the Scarlet letter that was mentioned earlier, go for it.
They had something about this on the local news around or just after this young girl was taken.
They even interviewed a registered sex offender in this regard and his comment was that he was not fully in support of this, but it has its merits as well as an upside to it.
The upside is that those that are rehabilitated and wearing a tracking device could be cleared of this with out even an interview from the police and therefore left to live out their days with out hassle.
For the police it is a quicker way to narrow down the search for suspects, especially when time is of the essence.
If the device could be made very inconspicuous and not be the Scarlet letter that was mentioned earlier, go for it.
I have to agree with the law. If it were my kid getting molested/raped/killed.. their sentance would be a lot more lenient than the one I'd give the SOB. I can recall a time not to recently that a 8 YO girl was molested and raped and the father was out walking the streets with a shotgun looking for the man who did it. The ultimate justice would be the ones given back to the offender by the offendee's parents/family. Personally I think crimes such as this get taken too lightly sometimes.
If we had a perfect system I would agree wholeheartedly. Any one raping a child deserves nothing less than castration and a slow painful death would be good too. That said - every case is different and mandatory sentencing is not always the best solution. I have heard of a guy that went to play softball after work at a local ballpark. It was early spring and the county had not opened the restrooms yet. He had to go, so he walked over between his truck and a suburban that was parked there and relieved himself. Well, the suburban had dark tinted windows and he did not see the children in the back. Long story short- he is now a convicted sex offender and must register for the rest of his life. Do you think that was the type of situaution that this law was intended for?
The tracking device thing might work if it was used as an "alternative sentence" for early parole, much the way voluntary castration drugs are now used.
The tracking device thing might work if it was used as an "alternative sentence" for early parole, much the way voluntary castration drugs are now used.
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Yea, we should give them a break, I'm sure the kids they molested will get over the nightmares and trust people in a couple years... I've posted pictures of all the child molesters in my area in my wife’s salon, and I tell everyone I possibly can. If I ever see one anywhere in my neiborhood, convenience store, or anywhere else, I will bring it to everyone’s attention within yelling distance. I do not believe you can rehabilitate these scumbags. How can you change someone’s core desires? I think you can change people’s beliefs etc. but not the disgusting desires they crave. I have sent company wide e-mails to work places of known child molesters before and they have been fired because of it. (and I'm happy to do so) And no, I don't know any, have never been molested, and don't know anyone who has.
offroaddave
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muleskinner said:
That's what i'm taking about, most of these aholes are repeat offenders.
That is a great idea with the salon as my wife also works in a salon,It will be done.
WELL SAID!
offroaddave said:That's what i'm taking about, most of these aholes are repeat offenders.
That is a great idea with the salon as my wife also works in a salon,It will be done.
WELL SAID!
Repeat offenders should NEVER be let out again. Period.
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muleskinner said:
I happen to have a relative that had her kids molested. The jerk never set foot in a jail. The kids on the other hand have been in and out of trouble the rest of their lives. I realize that the punishments are stronger now than they were 15 years ago, but I really don't think they could ever be strong enough. And on a side note, I read that a pedophile can never be rehabilitated. They maybe able to control their desires, but the desire is still there under the surface, waiting to explode.
If we cant rehabilitate them...then why let them out of prison? Why do we not then just kill them? Our system is supposed to rehabilitate these criminals. Our system is designed with the intent to fix these people. We should fix the system instead of branding these people with a scarlette letter...did you idiots never read that book in high school?? Puritanical bullshiat is what that is.
I am not argueing to give these people a BREAK.
I have no pity for social degenerates that cannot control their malfunctions.
I want fairness and equity for all in america no matter how delusional it may be, it is not fair and just to make someone pay for a crime after they have done their time.
Whoever had the buddy that pissed inbetween the cars...who hasn't done that, and you think it would be fair to have a tracking device planted on your person to make sure you aren't pissing inbetween a fence and a house if you have to, hell I piss in public on occasion, when you have to go and the restrooms are all closed, you gotta go!! Maybe I should have a tracking device and my picture published on the internet...well I already have my pictures strewn across various boards...
You people are just like those whackos in the puritan times...you think you are all so high and mighty where your sins are not so politically unacceptible...Who out there has cheated on their wives....you should have your pictures published and tracking devices installed...ooooohhh wait it is socially acceptible to do so, so you dont have to worry about it!
Earth to the RME clan....STEP DOWN FROM THE HIGH HORSE!!!
I am not argueing to give these people a BREAK.
I have no pity for social degenerates that cannot control their malfunctions.
I want fairness and equity for all in america no matter how delusional it may be, it is not fair and just to make someone pay for a crime after they have done their time.
Whoever had the buddy that pissed inbetween the cars...who hasn't done that, and you think it would be fair to have a tracking device planted on your person to make sure you aren't pissing inbetween a fence and a house if you have to, hell I piss in public on occasion, when you have to go and the restrooms are all closed, you gotta go!! Maybe I should have a tracking device and my picture published on the internet...well I already have my pictures strewn across various boards...
You people are just like those whackos in the puritan times...you think you are all so high and mighty where your sins are not so politically unacceptible...Who out there has cheated on their wives....you should have your pictures published and tracking devices installed...ooooohhh wait it is socially acceptible to do so, so you dont have to worry about it!
Earth to the RME clan....STEP DOWN FROM THE HIGH HORSE!!!