Less is more... simplifying your backcountry camping/travel setup

sixstringsteve

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UT
I'll admit, I've been bit by the bug to pack as much gear as possible on trips before. But lately, my wife and I have learned that less is more. The less gear we have, the easier and quicker it is to get out, and the more we enjoy ourselves out there. Obviously the secret is getting out as much as possible and adjusting what you need, but I'd like to hear what you've done to make things simpler.

How have you adjusted your setup to travel lighter/simpler?
 
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sixstringsteve

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UT
Here are a few things we've done.

1) Even though I love my ARB folding camp chairs, they're HUGE and they take up a lot of space. I'll use them for a training day, or an event, but not for multi-day camping. We went to REI and got some little tripod folding stools. They fit in a shoebox and save us tons of room. They don't have a back rest, but I don't really mind. We get more compliments on these little stools than any other piece of gear.

2) One word: Trasharoo. I have forgotten to take my trasharoo before, and it was sorely missed. My trasharoo (a backpack for your car to carry trash) keeps my cabin clean, keeps nasty stuff outside the rig, and frees up usable storage space in my bed.

3) Modular storage. After seeing Kurt's Kamp Kitchn, I realized the beauty of a modular setup. He had his stove, utensils, and basic cooking needs all in one unit. Since seeing that, we have bought a handful of small action packers. We have one for dry food, one for cooking/utensils, and two for spare parts/tools. When it's time to go camping, we grab our 4 small action packers and throw them in the truck

4) Pie Irons. I don't know if it's the glamper in me, or the need to feel like a cool kid with a stick in the fire, but pie irons have really simplified my cooking at camp. We still take the green coleman propane stove, and a cast-iron skillet, but when we pull in late to camp, (99% of the time we go camping it's late) we start a fire, and make grilled cheese. We also use our hot dog roasting sticks too. They're small and easy to store. And if you burn them enough, hot dogs don't taste like hot dogs anymore, they actually become palatable. Some of our favorite pie iron meals we've done: grilled chicken, totinos pizzas folded in half, and gourmet grilled cheese.

5) Doggy poop bags. It only takes once to forget to bring your TP, you'll never forget it again. Since we travel with a dog, we carry doggie bags for him. But recently we've discovered that doggy bags are perfect for packing out your used TP. We keep a roll of doggy bags inside the middle of the TP roll tube, then put it all into a ziplock so they're always together. Remember to tread lightly and not to bury or leave your used TP behind. Dig a hole 8-12" deep, bury your poop, and pack out your TP. TP doesn't bio-degrade very well, and can often blow around and litter the area. It sounds nasty, but it's really not bad to pack your TP out if you have doggy bags to put it in. If that really grosses you out, you can always be like moody and expoman and burn it (just make sure there aren't any pie irons in there.:eek:)

6) Shovel. The army folding shovels sure look cool, and a chrome shovel tied to your roof rack sure looks "expo", but we've found what works best for us is a small 3' shovel from Home Depot. It was under $10 and it's way more sturdy than the army shovel, and it doesn't take up all that more space.

7) Bivy sacs. In an effort to streamline my camping and try to talk myself out of my expensive rooftop tent, I bought a coupld of army bivy sacs for $35 each (see amazon). They're goretex bags that fit your sleeping bag and pad inside them. While i have used them as quick shelter and sleeping under the stars, I end up using them as dry bags more than anything. These are huge bags and they can fit your backpack, sleeping bags, pads, and anything else you want to keep dry. They don't take any extra room, but they're a fantastic investment if you have a pickup or put stuff out in the elements where they can get wet. Plus they're fun to sleep in too.

8) 2 coolers with dry ice. We have 2 different size coolers, based on the type of trip we're going on. We've been trying to cram less into our coolers. We don't need cold food for every meal. There are lots of dry, add-water foods that don't require coolers and make it far less work to prepare and pack. If we do need a lot of cooled food (usually 4+ day trips), we end up putting down a layer of dry ice at the bottom of our cooler, and pouring ice on top of it. We've had ice stay cold for week long trips using this method. Fridges rock, but I'm poor and my cooler works just fine for me. Plus I can remove it when I'm not camping. I'd like to do more food prep at home before we leave, but that just makes it take longer to leave. Lately we've been packing produce whole and prepping it at camp.

9) make your own spill kit to save space. Ziplock, gloves, kitty litter, and some gojo orange wipes when you're done. Fits under your seat and takes up very little room.

10) just get out. The more you get out, the more you learn what works for you and what doesn't. Don't let a piece of gear (or lack thereof) prevent you from going on a trip. Some of my best trips have been backpacking trips where you don't have nearly the amount of stuff you do on an overland journey.
 
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Kevin B.

Not often wrong. Never quite right.
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Stinkwater
I'm right there with ya. I don't like a big complex camp any more, and with my little truck I need all the space I can get.

I've ditched my Campchef in favor of a Coleman, and I'm probably going to start carrying a backpacking stove instead of that, at least when I'm headed somewhere fires are allowed.

Sleeping in the truck saves me the hassle of setting up and tearing down a tent, not to mention the added cargo capacity.

I don't pack air mattresses anymore, I've gone back to my Thermarest. That saves me the bulk of those huge rubber things and the pump that goes with them and the hassle of inflating and deflating them.

My focus right now is tuning and modifying what and how I eat, with the goal of switching to a smaller cooler or even eliminating it entirely.
 

mesha

By endurance we conquer
Location
A.F.
I like the bivy sack as a dry bag idea. That seems like a better use than sleeping in them. Especially the waterproof ones. Too much condensation for me.

I will have to repurpose a few.
 
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sixstringsteve

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Location
UT
I actually prefer my army bivy over the OR bivy I had. I had zero condensation with the army one (it must have been the perfect temp/dew point). I use them for sleeping under the stars. I keep it unzipped, then if it starts to rain I pull it over myself.
 

sixstringsteve

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Location
UT
I used to munch on food all the time while driving. I don't know how that habbit started, but it didn't leave me feeling all that great in camp. Lately I've laid off the snacks while driving and it's really made it more enjoyable.
 

Rot Box

Diesel and Dust
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Location
Smithfield Utah
I'll be watching this one close and taking notes. When I camp solo or with one other person I don't have issues and I tend to be very simplistic. When its me, my wife, kids and two large dogs (which is usually the case) things get really out of hand space and simplicity wise :ugh:

-Since I added my RTT I don't have to worry about where to put all those sleeping bags/blankets, the large ground tent and my bulky bed roll (I have to use a thick/bulky one because my back is worthless). Space savings and easier setup have made things much simpler for me.

-My two coolers are a pain and not very convenient when it comes to packing and storing food for a long weekend with four people. Fridges are easier to pack, the one I want will take up less space, It will provide more space for food (enough ice to last more than one day takes up space), less time consuming because I can stock it whenever and not have to do it right before I walk out the door. You can tell I've talked myself into one right?

That's all I've got at the moment.
 

Rot Box

Diesel and Dust
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Location
Smithfield Utah
Something not quite so glamperous are plastic milk crates. They're great, very durable and they are nearly free. They will hold all kinds of goodies and can be stacked. I use mine for storing mini propane bottles, a pie iron, jack stand, bottle jack receiver hitch, tow straps, skillet, a lug/star wrench etc etc.. I like them because you can strap everything down inside and also anchor/strap them to the vehicle. Throw them in and throw them out very simple :cool:
 

sixstringsteve

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Location
UT
Since I added my RTT I don't have to worry about where to put all those sleeping bags/blankets, the large ground tent and my bulky bed roll (I have to use a thick/bulky one because my back is worthless). Space savings and easier setup have made things much simpler for me.

I totally agree about this. I don't store my bags in my tent, but on multi-day trips I just leave them in there. The space savings and not having to roll a pad up everyday definitely justify the cost of the RTT for me.





Something not quite so glamperous are plastic milk crates.


Where do those of us who don't work at a diary find plastic milk crates? :)

One more tip my wife gave me. Make soup and freeze it in crock pot liners, inside a cardboard 1/2 gal milk container. This freezes your soup in a nice rectangular block. Not only does it fit in the cooler better, buy you need less ice because the soup acts as ice for you cooler.
 
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Spork

Tin Foil Hat Equipped
Where do those of us who don't work at a diary find plastic milk crates? :)


One more tip my wife gave me. Make soup and freeze it in crock pot liners, inside a cardboard 1/2 gal milk container. This freezes your soup in a nice rectangular block. Not only does it fit in the cooler better, buy you need less ice because the soup acts as ice for you cooler.

If you don't want to steal them... ;)

http://www.target.com/p/sterilite-milk-crate-white/-/A-14089507
(walmart/smiths/etc sell them also)
 

Rot Box

Diesel and Dust
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Smithfield Utah
Where do those of us who don't work at a diary find plastic milk crates? :). .

Grocery stores and such will usually give you a used one or two if you ask nice (depending on who you ask ;)). I'll hit up some friends of mine I'm sure I can snag a few more.
 
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TRD270

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SaSaSandy
Something not quite so glamperous are plastic milk crates. They're great, very durable and they are nearly free. They will hold all kinds of goodies and can be stacked. I use mine for storing mini propane bottles, a pie iron, jack stand, bottle jack receiver hitch, tow straps, skillet, a lug/star wrench etc etc.. I like them because you can strap everything down inside and also anchor/strap them to the vehicle. Throw them in and throw them out very simple :cool:

I love my one milk crate I have :) its where I keep all my recovery gear. Straps, shackles, block etc. love it super strong light and a good shape to stick in any corner.

I might have to pick me up some small action packers in the future and try to down size. Right now I usually roll with my large action packer and one big cooler which takes up 60% of the back of the Jeep. 100% if I have 4 passengers.

I have purchased a trasharoo, but haven't been on any long trips yet to use it. I'm hoping I get to test it out in Moab this weekend, but that trip other than being solo might be disappearing
 

solidfrontaxle

Toyota jihad
Location
Casper, Wyoming
Awesome topic. Its the truth that the lighter and simpler you travel, the easier it is to get out and more time you have to actually play rather than futz with stuff.

I got a large pelican case from work that stays in the vehicle (LX - wife's DD). It contains: 2 single burner stoves. Fuel bottles. Skillet and pot. Knife. Sponge and dishsoap. Small lantern. Inflatable mattress that fits in the vehicle. Sheets for mattress. Helton shower head and pump. Two pairs of cheap flip flops for showering. Soap. Towels. Hammock.

Outside the case we always have a couple of sleeping bags and pillows stashed.

If we plan on camping, the ONLY thing we need to put together is a bag of food, fill the water can, and maybe stock the cooler or fridge.

The less you have to keep cold the better. We eat lots of beans, tortillas, Thai Kitchen soups (way better than ramen), oatmeal, cereal, and fresh fruits.

I gotta have cold cereal and milk in the morning. Milk has always been the hardest part for me if I'm trying to go cooler/fridgeless. I've tried powdered milk, and its kind of a hassle and tastes funky. The solution is the small sized Gossner milk boxes. We buy them by the case at the factory in Logan. Doesn't need to be refrigerated, but is usually decently cold in the morning. Plus the flavored milk is off the hook - root beer, banana, and orange are best.

Overall, the key is having a small selection of essential gear you can just always keep in the vehicle (or in a box or bag in the garage) so you can take off at any time and have everything you need. Just remember to restock anything when you get back. A smaller amount of gear also leaves more room for other, more fun gear like bikes, kayaks, climbing gear, skis, guns...
 

JL Rockies

Binders Fulla Expo
Location
Draper
You need the gear to get the expo points though.

Like my TAD Ranger Hoodie for example... is it as good as the AllJeep hoodie? I dunno, but its worth lots of points and it was almost the hoodie someone would've found my body wearing after the thaw in the Newfoundland Mntns.
 

sixstringsteve

Well-Known Member
Location
UT
but expo points get bulky and take up lots of room.

TAD ranger hoodies on the other hand, those are useful. I was impressed, not going to lie.
 

Marsh99

Lover of all things Toyota
Location
Mantua UT
I have been thinking about this more since my last trip. I had my cab filled with people instead of gear, then the gear of 4 people in the bed. It was not too pretty of a pack job and required a bed net.
 

sixstringsteve

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Location
UT
I learned that I need a different solution for my guitar. I need to either leave it home, or get a tiny one that takes up zero space and I can leave in the bed of the truck and not worry about it.
 
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