Mandrel Bends and silicone couplers

carsonc1974

Active Member
Im working on putting a new intercooler on an old first gen cummins and am looking for a supplier of mandrel bends and silicone couplers/reducers. Anybody know of a supplier in or around salt lake that would stock these? For this project I need the 3" variety.
 

skippy

Pretend Fabricator
Location
Tooele
I bought the aluminum bends and the boots for my JK intercooler off of Ebay great deal and you will want aluminum piping for your intercooler it will let the heat escape mucho more betta
 

carsonc1974

Active Member
Ya I figured as much. I guess I may just have to wait for shipping then. I was hoping to finish it up this week.

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sLcREX

Formerly Maldito X
Location
Utah
Too bad you don't need 2.5". I have a handful of 45, 90 and u-bends as well as couplers and v-bands from my past turbo projects.
 

Kevin B.

Not often wrong. Never quite right.
Moderator
Location
Stinkwater
I bought the aluminum bends and the boots for my JK intercooler off of Ebay great deal and you will want aluminum piping for your intercooler it will let the heat escape mucho more betta

Not that I know nuthin about nuthin, but I thought stainless was better than aluminum for heat transfer?
 

carsonc1974

Active Member
I wont be using aluminum or stainless for this project. I unfortunately haven't repurchased a tig yet, and will have to use my mig:(
 

TurboMinivan

Still plays with cars
Location
Lehi, UT
you will want aluminum piping for your intercooler it will let the heat escape mucho more betta

This is a common misconception. The intercooler core is where all the magic happens; the charge tubes themselves don't contribute any significant temperature drop. There are two reasons for this:

#1: unlike an intercooler core, charge tubes are not comprised of numerous narrow passages chock full of cooling fins. These internal fins are responsible for 'churning' up the charge air, and they do most of the work of drawing heat out of the charge air. Charge tubes are simply one large passage which is not able to draw much heat out of the air flowing inside it. (You might see a small difference at the boundary area of the pipe, but the majority of the charge air is not in contact with the tube wall and will thus not be affected in any significant way.)

#2: Post-intercooler, your charge temps have been significantly reduced--perhaps within 20 or 30 degrees of ambient if you have a good setup. Well, guess what: your underhood temps are also 20-30 degrees higher than ambient. Intercooling--in other words, temperature reduction--requires a temperature difference between the charge air and the cooling air. The smaller this difference, the less the effective temperature change you will observe. So even if the tube could somehow transfer lots of heat from the charge air, it wouldn't have any significant effect underhood since the air outside the tube would be the same temp as the air inside the tube.
 

skippy

Pretend Fabricator
Location
Tooele
This is a common misconception. The intercooler core is where all the magic happens; the charge tubes themselves don't contribute any significant temperature drop. There are two reasons for this:

#1: unlike an intercooler core, charge tubes are not comprised of numerous narrow passages chock full of cooling fins. These internal fins are responsible for 'churning' up the charge air, and they do most of the work of drawing heat out of the charge air. Charge tubes are simply one large passage which is not able to draw much heat out of the air flowing inside it. (You might see a small difference at the boundary area of the pipe, but the majority of the charge air is not in contact with the tube wall and will thus not be affected in any significant way.)

#2: Post-intercooler, your charge temps have been significantly reduced--perhaps within 20 or 30 degrees of ambient if you have a good setup. Well, guess what: your underhood temps are also 20-30 degrees higher than ambient. Intercooling--in other words, temperature reduction--requires a temperature difference between the charge air and the cooling air. The smaller this difference, the less the effective temperature change you will observe. So even if the tube could somehow transfer lots of heat from the charge air, it wouldn't have any significant effect underhood since the air outside the tube would be the same temp as the air inside the tube.

I understand the intercooler is where all the magic happens, However I have made the swap from stainless charge pipes to aluminum and noticed a big enough decrease in intake temps to make it worth while to use aluminum

I was also running alot more boost than most people ever dream of.....
 

TurboMinivan

Still plays with cars
Location
Lehi, UT
I have made the swap from stainless charge pipes to aluminum and noticed a big enough decrease in intake temps to make it worth while to use aluminum

I was also running alot more boost than most people ever dream of.....

Do tell. How much of a temp difference did you see? And how much boost were you running?

I admit I tend to think in terms of gasoline engines rather than diesel engines. Still, I did run as much as 24 psi in my old Dodge Caravan drag van.
 

skippy

Pretend Fabricator
Location
Tooele
Do tell. How much of a temp difference did you see? And how much boost were you running?

I admit I tend to think in terms of gasoline engines rather than diesel engines. Still, I did run as much as 24 psi in my old Dodge Caravan drag van.

I was running a Diesel so completely different animal but I was running a solid 96 psi in my 2001 Dodge
 

carsonc1974

Active Member
Geez, what for? Drag, Sled Puller, or just because? I thought I was doing pretty good in my old bug running 28psi... Once again different animal, gas vs diesel.
 
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