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Hickey said:Sounds like a good crew
My Jeep got totaled early this morning... pics
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Chiksic
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mrjingles said:well i feel like i'm the only one thinking this way.. but i will express my point of view. I do feel bad that your jeep is beyond repair.. but this is all completely your fault and no one elses... you brought all this stuff on yourself.
-you were involved in illegal comsumption of alcohol, and you gave your keys to a man who had previously been drinking that night.
Again i'm sorry about the jeep... but i feel you got just what you deserved for all the immature actions you took. Hope you think things through better next time and decide to grow up sometime soon
It's my opinion that "underage" drinking at my age is not irresponsible. It is illegal and I can understand people that think it is, I just don't agree. I'm allowed to own guns, kill myself with ciagrettes in every state but utah, and die in the military, but I can't consume alcohol? Now, I'm not trying to start a debate on what the leagl drinking age should be. It is what it is, and I know I broke the law. I just don't see it as irresponsible. Besides that, I wasn't really drinking, I had 2 beers at the very beginning of the night and then stopped. We camped a mile away from the cars so that we could have privacy and not bother anyone. We camped overnight so no one would have to drive home. All of that in my mind is pretty responsible. I know kids who will go to parties in the city, get plastered, and drive home all in the same night. THAT is irresponsible.
About my keys, yes, I did give them to a drunk man, and yes, that was irresponsible and stupid. But I don't think I deserve having my Jeep totaled because I was going to let someone drink a little more. Nonetheless, it happened anyway and so life goes. I'm not denying I'm responsible for giving my key away. That was completely stupid and a bad call, but so it goes.
Chiksic said:
I don't get this. He totaled the Jeep, he should pay for the damages he has done. How is letting him off the hook going to help him??? Maybe next time he "borrows" somebody's car at a party he kills someone's family??? You screwed up giving him the keys, don't screw up again and make it easy for him to weasel out of his problems, it won't help anyone.
I have screwed up in a similiar way and I paid dearly for it. After it's all over I am glad no one went easy on me or I might not have pulled my head out.
Chiksic
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You've got an excellent point, there. I'm going to talk to a lawyer and see how good of a case I have. I probably will sue him. I'll let you know what the lawyer says.OCNORB said:
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Nice opening thread mrjingles. Did you register just to tell her off??mrjingles said:well i feel like i'm the only one thinking this way.. but i will express my point of view. I do feel bad that your jeep is beyond repair.. but this is all completely your fault and no one elses... you brought all this stuff on yourself.
-you were involved in illegal comsumption of alcohol, and you gave your keys to a man who had previously been drinking that night.
Again i'm sorry about the jeep... but i feel you got just what you deserved for all the immature actions you took. Hope you think things through better next time and decide to grow up sometime soon
I think she's figured that out, even without the web-chewin'
(BTW I agree. Except for the completely her fault part. There were definitely 2 people involved here.)
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Chiksic said:Hopefully. My confidence in our military will go down if they still accept him.
So let me get this straight... you give your keys to an underage drunk, put yourself in a bad situation... and the Marines shouldn't take him?
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Chiksic said:
What?
Why the allegiance? The dude "stole" your car, wrecked it, and rolled on you. Why in the hell would you sympathize with him?
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mrjingles said:well i feel like i'm the only one thinking this way.. but i will express my point of view. I do feel bad that your jeep is beyond repair.. but this is all completely your fault and no one elses... you brought all this stuff on yourself.
-you were involved in illegal comsumption of alcohol, and you gave your keys to a man who had previously been drinking that night.
Again i'm sorry about the jeep... but i feel you got just what you deserved for all the immature actions you took. Hope you think things through better next time and decide to grow up sometime soon
nice alternate ego....If you're going to make a statement, don't do it under a false name. Grow up.
based on the scenario Chicsic outlined, his request was to simply walk to the car, retrieve a bottle, and return. There was to be no driving involved. Was it a mistake on her part to allow that? Obviously, but the responsible person is the guy who drove away and wrecked the vehicle.
Chiksic
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Yes. The marines have nothing to do with me.cruiseroutfit said:
So let me get this straight... you give your keys to an underage drunk, put yourself in a bad situation... and the Marines shouldn't take him?
Because he's my cousin's best friend, and my cousin is like my brother. We're closer than close, and I wouldn't do anything for any amount of money to put tension in that relationship. He's said he doesn't have a problem with it, though, so that why I will probably end up sueing if I decide it's worth it.cruiseroutfit said:What?
Why the allegiance? The dude "stole" your car, wrecked it, and rolled on you. Why in the hell would you sympathize with him?
BlackSheep said:
Thank you.
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Chiksic said:
If your cousin is going to continue being his freind (despite the fact his freind allegedly lied, stole, crashed, cheated his own cousing) then IMHO he is the one putting tension in the relationship, not you for wanting JUSTICE.
Either way
M
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Chiksic said:
haha right... doing something illegal IS irresponsible actually. Oh also i did make a fake name... just so i wouldn't undergo persecution from everyone trying to protect this jeepgirl.
Yes you are allowed to smoke, own guns, etc... all because they are permitted by the law!! I guarantee you back in the day when i was 14 years old, i was more than capable to operate a motor vehicle.. but i didn't do so considering it would have been illegal to do so. Also yes i know there are kids much more irresponsible than you.. and i do recognize some good judgement on your part for not driving while intoxicated, and not camping by anyone to bother them is also a good choice. Just the fact that you aren't willing to abide by the law shows your immaturity, and is the main reason why laws like that are in place.
I do take it back saying you were completely at fault... but i'd say that it was more your fault than his... but thats just my opinion. Again i'm sorry it happened to you.. and hopefully more situations like this one will be avoided in the future.
James K
NO, I'm always like this
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mrjingles said:
every speed? roll through a stop sign? not use your signal when changing lanes?
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Sure ive done all 3 of those, and yes it was be irresponsible on my part for doing that, but dont compare apples to oranges here. There's not one person in this state who hasn't driven faster than the posted speed, except people who haven't driven yet
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mrjingles said:
Ummmmm..... we do frown on that quite a bit around here....... and I do know who you are. Be a man and stand for your opinion, dawg.
Chiksic
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*shrug* you're welcome to think it's irresponsible for me to drink. I'm not offended by that. We disagree and that's ok.mrjingles said:haha right... doing something illegal IS irresponsible actually. Oh also i did make a fake name... just so i wouldn't undergo persecution from everyone trying to protect this jeepgirl.
Yes you are allowed to smoke, own guns, etc... all because they are permitted by the law!! I guarantee you back in the day when i was 14 years old, i was more than capable to operate a motor vehicle.. but i didn't do so considering it would have been illegal to do so. Also yes i know there are kids much more irresponsible than you.. and i do recognize some good judgement on your part for not driving while intoxicated, and not camping by anyone to bother them is also a good choice. Just the fact that you aren't willing to abide by the law shows your immaturity, and is the main reason why laws like that are in place.
I do take it back saying you were completely at fault... but i'd say that it was more your fault than his... but thats just my opinion. Again i'm sorry it happened to you.. and hopefully more situations like this one will be avoided in the future.
But me drinking really has nothing to do with the topic at hand since I was not drunk or impaired whatsoever when I handed over my keys. I started with 2 beers around 9 or 10 and then I stopped. It was 3am when I gave him my key. Even if 2 beers had an effect on me, which they don't, it wouldn't have mattered 5-6 hours later.
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wipedawg said:K yeah its me... ya got me bryson... I knew my IP would give me away
Yeah its fine we disagree thats life. Good luck with partin out your jeep, and hopefully you'll be able to regain some of your loss.
better....
The whole situation is just shady for a few reasons. There were underage people consuming alchohol procured illegaly. Which means you had to be around people accepting and readily willing to go along with that. You secluded yourself from public. Which means you were all fully aware what you were doing was shady. You then, gave someone who had consumed alchohol keys to your vehicle. Using your cognition to try and see through his eyes to determine how drunk he was.(thing are not always what they appear).
some laws to look at... comparing apples to oranges.
Apples
32A-12-203
32A-12-209
32A-12-220
Hope Campground is in a national forrest, which is concidered a public place.
32A-12-305
So if you deceived the officer by concealing your supplier then that's a 3rd degree felony.
Oranges.
Moving violations are class C misdemeanors.
some laws to look at... comparing apples to oranges.
Apples
32A-12-203
32A-12-209
32A-12-220
Hope Campground is in a national forrest, which is concidered a public place.
32A-12-305
So if you deceived the officer by concealing your supplier then that's a 3rd degree felony.
Oranges.
Moving violations are class C misdemeanors.
Chiksic
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I did not obstruct the officer at all. I'm always very cooperative with police officers. You can't grow up with a father that was on the force for 25 years and not know a thing or two on how to treat police officers. He didn't ask who had it or where it came from and I didn't volunteer. Witholding information is my right. Lying to a cop or consealing phsyical evidence is where the crime comes in. I did neither. Previously, I have had a cop ask me who bought the alcohol and I said "a friend" and it was sufficient. You are not obligated to snitch. All of those laws are criminal charges, not civil. If I was going to be charged with anything I would've already been charged. And it says obstructing an officer is a 2nd degree felony, not 3rd
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My opinion may not have much credibility, cause I am not sure where the rockgarden really is(or Provo canyon to keep this within the thread geographically); I wheel a minvan(an IFS minivan at that-but its a Toyota at least); and currently I drive a Ford.
Nuff said, yeah, bad choice to give him the keys. Good choice to stay sober, which led to clear thinking, which led to the judgement call of the circumstantial presentation, (doggone I hope that came out right, vocabulary is sooo not what it used to be) of your decision to let him access your jeep.
You did not give him express permission to roll (no pun intended) to the Maverick for Marlboro's.
You thought you could trust him, after all he is your "brothers" (quotes for a reason, I have followed the story/lineage of participants) cousin, and that should account for something. To use a first person analogy, had it been me there that night, I never would have gotten the keys from you\you to give me the keys, as you don't know me from Adam. Hence no implied trust, as there was with "Bob"
In the same situation, I would have done the same thing, and I am 15 years your senior, not that means anything, but it is said that when we are younger, we do things that we would not do with a little more real world experience. You thought there was trust, you had faith in the out come of your decision, and you have taken accountability for the initial wrong doing, giving a drunk man (kid?) your keys.
Sorry for your loss.
Hope you get to wheeling again soon, and good luck on the parting of the
j(h?)eep
Nuff said, yeah, bad choice to give him the keys. Good choice to stay sober, which led to clear thinking, which led to the judgement call of the circumstantial presentation, (doggone I hope that came out right, vocabulary is sooo not what it used to be) of your decision to let him access your jeep.
You did not give him express permission to roll (no pun intended) to the Maverick for Marlboro's.
You thought you could trust him, after all he is your "brothers" (quotes for a reason, I have followed the story/lineage of participants) cousin, and that should account for something. To use a first person analogy, had it been me there that night, I never would have gotten the keys from you\you to give me the keys, as you don't know me from Adam. Hence no implied trust, as there was with "Bob"
In the same situation, I would have done the same thing, and I am 15 years your senior, not that means anything, but it is said that when we are younger, we do things that we would not do with a little more real world experience. You thought there was trust, you had faith in the out come of your decision, and you have taken accountability for the initial wrong doing, giving a drunk man (kid?) your keys.
Sorry for your loss.
Hope you get to wheeling again soon, and good luck on the parting of the
j(h?)eep
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