Need opinions for discussion. Global warming.

[Cherokeester]

Let me know your thoughts on this issue to help me in a few discussions with grouchy libs please. (Sorry about the word "earth" in the first choice, bad typing)

 

[SAMI]

If anything, you should refer to it as 'global climate change'... Which means, global warming is ridiculous IMO..

 

[Herzog]

I think air pollution sucks to breathe... but I don't know well enough to say it's causing "global climate change" or not. There's a lot changes that this planet has been through.

I visited LA about 6 years ago and I had an allergic reaction to the pollution. My eyes swollen shut about 2 or 3 days... that sucked. I don't know how anybody could live there. All cities bring the suck. /rant.

 

[JL Rockies]

There's going to be global cooling before there will be global warming. The sun is still silent and the lack of solar winds is causing more clouds to form in the atmosphere. Man's expulsion of greenhouse gasses has only delayed the coming ice age.

 

[Spork]

I would say there global warming has more devout followers than most religions out there.

Global Warming is a method of controlling the masses, it is a method of control and any scientific evidence is vague and believed without question. Reporting on the issue relies on making the reader believe if they don't agree with it they are disagreeing with the entire scientific community.

Some quotes:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article516033.ece

"The debate about whether there is a global warming signal now is over, at least for rational people," said Tim Barnett, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California. "The models got it right. If a politician stands up and says the uncertainty is too great to believe these models, that is no longer tenable."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070202-global-warming.html

Global warming is here, it's human-caused, and it will continue for centuries even if greenhouse-gas emissions are stabilized, an international panel of climate experts said in a report issued today.

http://ecobridge.org/content/g_cse.htm

“As human-caused biodiversity loss and climate disruption gain ground, we need to keep our sights clear and understand that the measure of a threat is not a matter of whether it is made on purpose, but of how much loss it may cause. It's an ancient habit to go after those we perceive to be evil because they intended to do harm. It's harder, but more effective, to "go after," meaning to more effectively educate and socialize, those vastly larger numbers of our fellow humans who are not evil, but whose behavior may in fact be far more destructive in the long run." (Ed Ayres, editor of Worldwatch magazine, Nov/Dec 2001)

 

[JackKeslerCustoms]

I think the bottom line is that anything we can do to improve the living conditions for my daughters, within reason (i.e. cost and actual proven results) is worth a discussion. If you could get the experts from both side together, and get them to work together rather than recruit for their side to demean the other, that will give us the best possible solutions.

 

[mbryson]

I think the bottom line is that anything we can do to improve the living conditions for my daughters, within reason (i.e. cost and actual proven results) is worth a discussion. If you could get the experts from both side together, and get them to work together rather than recruit for their side to demean the other, that will give us the best possible solutions.

Wait, that would actually make sense and not really make any one appearance dollars for speaking/rallies.

 

[JackKeslerCustoms]

Are you calling me un-American?

 

[mbryson]

Are you calling me un-American?

Honestly, that's a good question. I'm not calling YOU anything. Just making observations about your statement. I pretty much agree with you 100%. It's a stupid debate as most are. As Americans, we seem to be all about the debate rather than about the solution(s) to various issues.

 

[JackKeslerCustoms]

As Americans, we seem to be all about the debate rather than about the solution(s) to various issues.

Well said.

 

[Cody]

I think air pollution sucks to breathe... but I don't know well enough to say it's causing "global climate change" or not. There's a lot changes that this planet has been through.

Precisely my view. The climate has always cycled and there have been more severe periods of "warming" in the last 500 years than what we are going through now.

Is the world warming? Sure.

Are we the cause of it? I don't think anybody can say for sure. there is a wealth of information on both sides.

Do I think we should reduce our dependency on fossil fuels and work for cleaner and more renewable types of energy? Absolutely.

I know that we would be foolish to think that if humanity exists for thousands of years, the climate and environment would be the same on year one as it is in year 10k...or 100k.

 

[mesha]

If anything, you should refer to it as 'global climate change'... Which means, global warming is ridiculous IMO..

global warming is a part of global climate change. Only a part though.

I think air pollution sucks to breathe... but I don't know well enough to say it's causing "global climate change" or not. There's a lot changes that this planet has been through.

air pollution is A cause of GW not THE cause. There is a big difference.

There's going to be global cooling before there will be global warming. The sun is still silent and the lack of solar winds is causing more clouds to form in the atmosphere. Man's expulsion of greenhouse gasses has only delayed the coming ice age.

The earth has been cooling since the jurassic. Lately it has been rising. It could be the turn of the tide. over 90 percent of climatologists believe the earth is in a warming "phase" now. Does that mean humans are the sole cause? No it doesn't. To say that we are not a large contributing factor is crazy. The total amount of CO2 on earth never changes. It all depends on where it is. The resevoir (spelling) holding the CO2 is the key to icehouse/greenhouse. It is possible to change the storage quickly enough to skip an ice age(iceball).

I don't think we are doomed no matter what. I don't think we can stop it completely. The idea for the species is to slow down the change enough that we can adapt and survive. The earth doesn't care what the phase is. It will fix it. More carbon fixation in the oceans means more limestone in a few million years. Higher temps means more plants and more rain. more rain means means more erosion. more erosion means less limestone. so on so on so on.

 

[JL Rockies]

Bottom line is, we'll freeze before we burn. Look to the sun which has been deadly silent.

 

[mesha]

Bottom line is, we'll freeze before we burn. Look to the sun which has been deadly silent.

much more likely!! a few degrees cooler would kill off humans WAAY before a few degrees warmer.

But even more likely we will die of a celestial impact before any of that.

 

[TJDukit]

I have to agree with Cody on this one. The earth has gone through more dramatic and faster changes in the last 500 years than we could think about causing ourselves. But of course we should always strive to create less pollution.