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New Hummer to become H4
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muddyjeep
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Hummer will never be able to compete with Jeep unless they build them with solid axles Dana 60's with selectable lockers! And a 4 to 1 T case!
Dana 60's don't even happen on new Jeeps.
Solid axles are not gonna happen on factory Hummers. These vehicles are not designed for such a small market segment as extreme wheelers. Even Jeep leaves that to the aftermarket.
Selectable lockers and 4:1 T cases are already on H3's.
Solid axles are not gonna happen on factory Hummers. These vehicles are not designed for such a small market segment as extreme wheelers. Even Jeep leaves that to the aftermarket.
Selectable lockers and 4:1 T cases are already on H3's.
I like Jeep, by that I mean for 2008, I like the Wrangler Rubicon and Unlimited Rubicon.
The Patriot, The Compass, The Grand Cherokee, The Commander, The Liberty. They are all Jeeps too. They get a pass from most Jeep owners that focus intense dislike at Hummer.
Perspective.
From a business standpoint, Jeep needs these other vehicles because they are in business to make money. There are not enough extreme wheeling enthusiasts to keep an auto maker in business by themselves - alone. Therefore, as a Jeep guy, it benefits you also.
Competition from Hummer made for a better JK (wheelbase, track, amenities). Why did Jeep make the Unlimited?
While none of that may be important to most here, it does sell new Jeeps.
The Patriot, The Compass, The Grand Cherokee, The Commander, The Liberty. They are all Jeeps too. They get a pass from most Jeep owners that focus intense dislike at Hummer.
Perspective.
From a business standpoint, Jeep needs these other vehicles because they are in business to make money. There are not enough extreme wheeling enthusiasts to keep an auto maker in business by themselves - alone. Therefore, as a Jeep guy, it benefits you also.
Competition from Hummer made for a better JK (wheelbase, track, amenities). Why did Jeep make the Unlimited?
While none of that may be important to most here, it does sell new Jeeps.
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Skylinerider
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What does that have to do with anything?
Being a Hummer owner, I get hate from two main groups, Jeep owners and greenie enviro-mentals.
Those two groups would seem to me to be at odds with one another. They are only unified in their hatred of Hummer. If Hummer were to die the death that enviro-mentals wish for it, how long until they came for Jeep? Are they trying to close the trails to just Hummers?
We are kinda in this thing together.
I like Jeep. I have a wife and three kids, one in a car seat. When I get time to go to Moab, I like to spend it with friends and my family. We all won't fit in a Jeep, unless it is a Commander, and my Hummers will outperform a Commander off road.
What does that have to do with anything?
X2- 03H3 you should know what you're talking about before spouting off
I'm sure more Jeep owners alone have spent more money keeping them open than Hummer owners. The shear numbers are just tooooo great! You add Suzuki, Toyota, etc. and you are way in over your head.
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Sorry I was mislead by what you said, I'll retract what I said then
We must have been typing at the same time
Skylinerider
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This was a thread about the H4 and when other opinions differ from yours you bring up something totally irrelavent. No one was accusing Hummer owners of closing trails at all. You brought it up and derailed your own thread.
I did not intend anything more than to indicate we have similar objectives in keeping access to wheeling open.
Doesn't matter to me what anyone else wheels (I'm just the owner of the rig, not the company), just that they are interested in the same things I am. More numbers against a common enemy.
Skylinerider
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I totally agree with you on the land use issues, and if that is where you want this thread to go I am more than fine with it. It's just a little deviation from commenting on a concept vehicle to land use, and it's still early so I was caught off guard
That may be true...
but "the bar" hasn't been set very high by the previous generations.
My vote...
Ghey..
I totally agree with you on the land use issues, and if that is where you want this thread to go I am more than fine with it. It's just a little deviation from commenting on a concept vehicle to land use, and it's still early so I was caught off guard
Skylinerider,
I guess I thought that what I implied was obvious (that we are on the same side) when I wrote that. I know now, that it wasn't.
As far as;
derailing my own thread. Damn thing wasn't going very well anyway.
Skylinerider
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Spork
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I like the box with wheels style The H3 looks good.
The H4 is a step back, I think the rake is too steep on the back and kills all functionality. I don't see a spare tire on the back so I would assume it's inside. If that's the case the H4 may make the old CJ5 seem spacious. I hope someone knocks some sense into hummer before they figure out this thing won't sell.
The H3 looks good.The H4 is a step back, I think the rake is too steep on the back and kills all functionality. I don't see a spare tire on the back so I would assume it's inside. If that's the case the H4 may make the old CJ5 seem spacious. I hope someone knocks some sense into hummer before they figure out this thing won't sell.
Houndoc
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Reading threads on either a new rig or concept is always fun, but highly predictable.
Can't recall a single one that people took to warmly.
Based on looks, I recall the Liberty not looking eough like a Jeep, the Commander looking too much like a Cherokee, the new JK too square and some trivia about the grill.
What should a new rig look like, anyway?
Can't recall a single one that people took to warmly.
Based on looks, I recall the Liberty not looking eough like a Jeep, the Commander looking too much like a Cherokee, the new JK too square and some trivia about the grill.
What should a new rig look like, anyway?