New Mbryson tow pig...”Sweaty Betty” - 2010 F350 V10

[SoopaHick]

I have heard the manifold studs are the issue with the V10 trucks. I had the studs done on my 2V truck quite a few years ago. I haven’t had that issue on my 2010 but I haven’t went looking for it either.


I like this truck a lot. I just keep the oil changed and keep feeding it gas. 40k miles I’ve put on mine. It just crossed 120k. Super capable truck that does everything well except get good fuel mileage. I’m about 11-12 commuting, 8 towing a single Jeep on a trailer or 6.5-7 mpg towing at 23k.

Which gears did you get? Mine has the 4.10 and 275/65 20 tires. I think I’d get maybe 1 more mpg with 3.73 but wouldn’t have the towing power. If yours has the 4.30, I’d bet it tows a bit better than mine? Going from the 35” tires I had to the 33” made a noticeable difference. I think there’s a spark plug difference between your ‘05-07 ( I think the ‘08 still have the same plug?) style but I don’t think there’s a HP difference. I’m curious to see how yours compares to a 7.3/10 speed (that’s got to be nice?). Are you planning on a 5 star or anything? That might be the only thing I’d consider doing to mine

Honestly I don't have any plans for it yet besides cleaning up a few tiny cosmetic things that bug me. I saw it come up for a great deal at a Honda dealership in Riverdale and jumped on it because it was an improvement in every way except age from my 2011 Hemi.

 

[SoopaHick]

I have heard the manifold studs are the issue with the V10 trucks. I had the studs done on my 2V truck quite a few years ago. I haven’t had that issue on my 2010 but I haven’t went looking for it either.


I like this truck a lot. I just keep the oil changed and keep feeding it gas. 40k miles I’ve put on mine. It just crossed 120k. Super capable truck that does everything well except get good fuel mileage. I’m about 11-12 commuting, 8 towing a single Jeep on a trailer or 6.5-7 mpg towing at 23k.

Which gears did you get? Mine has the 4.10 and 275/65 20 tires. I think I’d get maybe 1 more mpg with 3.73 but wouldn’t have the towing power. If yours has the 4.30, I’d bet it tows a bit better than mine? Going from the 35” tires I had to the 33” made a noticeable difference. I think there’s a spark plug difference between your ‘05-07 ( I think the ‘08 still have the same plug?) style but I don’t think there’s a HP difference. I’m curious to see how yours compares to a 7.3/10 speed (that’s got to be nice?). Are you planning on a 5 star or anything? That might be the only thing I’d consider doing to mine

As for the gear ratio I don't know. I'd imagine whatever is the stock for the 250 lariat. From everything I can tell the only changes the previous owner had made was major stereo upgrades, CB radio, and a back up camera. And larger than stock tires. I can't remember the tire ratio off the back of my head but when I mathed it into American it was like 34/11/r17.

 

[TRD270]

As for the gear ratio I don't know. I'd imagine whatever is the stock for the 250 lariat. From everything I can tell the only changes the previous owner had made was major stereo upgrades, CB radio, and a back up camera. And larger than stock tires. I can't remember the tire ratio off the back of my head but when I mathed it into American it was like 34/11/r17.

Can figure out gears pretty easy on the F*rds with the door sticker here’s the guide

Identify Your Ford Truck Axle From The Door Sticker - Blue Oval Trucks

There’s no question, the easiest way to identify the axle and gear ratio in your truck is from the door sticker. If you open the drivers door and look at the door jamb, you’ll see a sticker like the one … Continued

www.blueovaltrucks.com

 

[Kevin B.]

I have heard the manifold studs are the issue with the V10 trucks.

The 5.4 (and 4.6?) too. I think that's an issue with all the Modular engines.

 

[1969honda]

Only fix I know of is new studs and manifolds. If they look like they are missing, they're probably broke off in the head. On a personal rig I'd just monitor them at oil changes and once a few start missing then start getting quotes. I haven't replaced any myself as its a lot easier to pull the cab and I don't have that capability in our shop.

I'll look thru my receipts and see what we've paid on the last two. One was done at Ed Kinley Ford and one by a shop out in Hooper. If I remember right the independent place quoted us something like $2k for all new studs, manifolds and labor. Ours are all on F550s and I think the front coil towers are a little bigger/wider and it makes the center studs and plugs a little more difficult.

 

[mbryson]

Only fix I know of is new studs and manifolds. If they look like they are missing, they're probably broke off in the head. On a personal rig I'd just monitor them at oil changes and once a few start missing then start getting quotes. I haven't replaced any myself as its a lot easier to pull the cab and I don't have that capability in our shop.

I'll look thru my receipts and see what we've paid on the last two. One was done at Ed Kinley Ford and one by a shop out in Hooper. If I remember right the independent place quoted us something like $2k for all new studs, manifolds and labor. Ours are all on F550s and I think the front coil towers are a little bigger/wider and it makes the center studs and plugs a little more difficult.

This was about 6-7 years ago but Performance Ford in Bountiful (1800 S location) did my '99 units for like $500-600. For that price, I didn't even bother looking twice at what they were doing. I don't know that I'd get that price again but I'll ask my daughter (she's in parts at the Performance Ford on Redwood Road--She's still in high school so works from 3-6 pm if you called and asked for her) if she trusts a service writer/tech with that job and about what going rate is on it.

 

[haulinshine]

Not trying to scare either of you, that v20 is a great workhorse; but of our 5 or 6 v10s on the dock in Ogden only one currently does not need all new exhaust manifold studs and manifolds. They are all idled a lot being power company rigs but only 1 has much over 100k miles, average is about 4200 hours on the engine. I started noticing broken/ missing studs while doing DOT inspections and regular oil changes in the past few months, in talking with Ed Kenley Ford and a few independent shops it is not uncommon.

Of my current rigs in the fleet the oldest is a 2015, newest are 2017s. My first oil change on the 2015 since returning from overseas this fall I found all but 3 or 4 studs on each side still intact. Since then I've found 2-4 studs total missing from each of the other trucks. Only a few where making noise from manifold leaks, but all have been a little warped and showing soot build up at one or more ports.

My theory is the thermal expansion coefficient between the cast manifold and aluminum heads is causing the studs to fail from heat cycling, but it's just a guess.

with it being on '05 it should be a 30v, so more power and a little better mpgs than the old 20v.

As for the gear ratio I don't know. I'd imagine whatever is the stock for the 250 lariat. From everything I can tell the only changes the previous owner had made was major stereo upgrades, CB radio, and a back up camera. And larger than stock tires. I can't remember the tire ratio off the back of my head but when I mathed it into American it was like 34/11/r17.

Tires are likely 285/75r17 based off the rough inches you said.
Unless you trust the maintenance that has been done on the truck I would put new sparkies in it, and if it is an automagic I highly recommend chainging the ATF and filter, and take a really close look at if there is a lot of clutch material in the fluid. the first gen 5r110s like to eat the clutch pack between 1st and 2nd if they are used to pull.
other than that congrats on what looks to be an awesome truck!

 

[SoopaHick]

Can figure out gears pretty easy on the F*rds with the door sticker here’s the guide

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Identify Your Ford Truck Axle From The Door Sticker - Blue Oval Trucks

There’s no question, the easiest way to identify the axle and gear ratio in your truck is from the door sticker. If you open the drivers door and look at the door jamb, you’ll see a sticker like the one … Continued

www.blueovaltrucks.com

Based on that website I've got the 4.10 in it. I'm gonna double check on the axle indicators the internet has informed me of but based on how it drives the 4.10 sounds right.

 

[Brad J]

This was about 6-7 years ago but Performance Ford in Bountiful (1800 S location) did my '99 units for like $500-600......

In 2010 I had my 99 F250 V10 at Willey/Performance Ford as well. I got new exhaust manifold gaskets & Studs, tune up, PS flush, $419.61 parts and $613.20 labor, total came to $1135.03

Last weekend I pulled the Exhaust manifolds off a V10 from an Excursion project that I am working on and about 1/3 of the studs were broken.

 

[mbryson]

I have heard the manifold studs are the issue with the V10 trucks. I had the studs done on my 2V truck quite a few years ago. I haven’t had that issue on my 2010 but I haven’t went looking for it either.


I like this truck a lot. I just keep the oil changed and keep feeding it gas. 40k miles I’ve put on mine. It just crossed 120k. Super capable truck that does everything well except get good fuel mileage. I’m about 11-12 commuting, 8 towing a single Jeep on a trailer or 6.5-7 mpg towing at 23k.

Which gears did you get? Mine has the 4.10 and 275/65 20 tires. I think I’d get maybe 1 more mpg with 3.73 but wouldn’t have the towing power. If yours has the 4.30, I’d bet it tows a bit better than mine? Going from the 35” tires I had to the 33” made a noticeable difference. I think there’s a spark plug difference between your ‘05-07 ( I think the ‘08 still have the same plug?) style but I don’t think there’s a HP difference. I’m curious to see how yours compares to a 7.3/10 speed (that’s got to be nice?). Are you planning on a 5 star or anything? That might be the only thing I’d consider doing to mine

Just looked up the tire size on my 275/65-20. I'm a 34"? Tape measure with it loaded in the garage says it's 33.25" on the front at about 50% tread on a Firestone Transforce II tire. I like the Firestones but they aren't wearing the best. I think I paid $500 for the set of tires/wheels off a newer truck though so I'm not bitching at all.

It'd be kind of fun to find a set of 275/55-20 and tow with those. I bet those would increase towing performance pretty significantly?


What's your likely use of your truck Anthony? Just towing a single car trailer with a Jeep, you'll be fine with 37" tires if you wanted. (assuming you have the 4.10 or 4.30 gears)


I couldn't find a quick 2005 brochure but I've attached the 2006 and 2007 brochures to this post. (not sure how those will show up but....)

Here's a paste from the 2007 brochure about available axle ratios.
Looks like Ford rates the 2007 to 12,500 lbs or 12,500 lbs for conventional towing. My truck is right at 7200 lbs and that's with my fat ass in it (I think). Let's just say yours is 7k with no passengers and you're at 12,500. You're able to tow just under 20k per the brochure for 2007 from the bumper.

5th wheel towing is interesting. With a gooseneck or fifth wheel, at worst you're rated @ 14k. That's a load in my experience. You'll be at 6.5-7 mpg towing but it'll do the job pretty well. 4.30 gears get you another ton or so of weight available to tow. I'm honestly impressed with how much weight the Super Duty chassis can tow pretty safely. (probably any modern truck for that matter) 14k is not a joke at all. Emergency maneuvers are much better than they have a right to be in my truck. (have I mentioned I love the integrated brake controller?)



Edit: This might be worth your time to find for your year of truck? (the Ford_Linc_10RVTTowGuide.pdf)

 

[SoopaHick]

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Just looked up the tire size on my 275/65-20. I'm a 34"? Tape measure with it loaded in the garage says it's 33.25" on the front at about 50% tread on a Firestone Transforce II tire. I like the Firestones but they aren't wearing the best. I think I paid $500 for the set of tires/wheels off a newer truck though so I'm not bitching at all.

It'd be kind of fun to find a set of 275/55-20 and tow with those. I bet those would increase towing performance pretty significantly?


What's your likely use of your truck Anthony? Just towing a single car trailer with a Jeep, you'll be fine with 37" tires if you wanted. (assuming you have the 4.10 or 4.30 gears)


I couldn't find a quick 2005 brochure but I've attached the 2006 and 2007 brochures to this post. (not sure how those will show up but....)

Here's a paste from the 2007 brochure about available axle ratios.
View attachment 145731Looks like Ford rates the 2007 to 12,500 lbs or 12,500 lbs for conventional towing. My truck is right at 7200 lbs and that's with my fat ass in it (I think). Let's just say yours is 7k with no passengers and you're at 12,500. You're able to tow just under 20k per the brochure for 2007 from the bumper.

5th wheel towing is interesting. With a gooseneck or fifth wheel, at worst you're rated @ 14k. That's a load in my experience. You'll be at 6.5-7 mpg towing but it'll do the job pretty well. 4.30 gears get you another ton or so of weight available to tow. I'm honestly impressed with how much weight the Super Duty chassis can tow pretty safely. (probably any modern truck for that matter) 14k is not a joke at all. Emergency maneuvers are much better than they have a right to be in my truck. (have I mentioned I love the integrated brake controller?) View attachment 145732



Edit: This might be worth your time to find for your year of truck? (the Ford_Linc_10RVTTowGuide.pdf)

Ya that was a big selling point for me. Daily short commuter from eastern Eagle Mountain to Lehi and the occasional single Jeep on a trailer. I did just get new responsibilities at my job that I have to handle all our metal donations to the school which includes hauling around our big flat bed loaded with as much metal as we can handle so this truck is coming just in time. I'm afraid I would've killed that hemi with this new assignment. IIRC the hemi tow rating was around 8 or 9k so that tow rating boost is perfect!

I wasn't concerned about the gas mileage as my Hemi never gave me what was promised. I rarely saw more than 12mpg when I was commuting Eagle Mountain to Orem every day. With my Transfer to Lehi I'm not worried about MPGs at all.

 

[1969honda]

So i just found the quote from Ed Kenley Ford on the most recent truck they did, it's a 2017. Looks like it was $2k in parts and $1150 labor that the boss paid them.

I have one more, another 2015, at Dark Cloud Diesel in Hooper we took in a week ago that'll I'll try to get a copy of the quote or receipt of it's don't today or tomorrow.

 

[Kevin B.]

an Excursion project that I am working

And no thread yet??? I am disappoint.

 

[mbryson]

And no thread yet??? I am disappoint.

Same

 

[glockman]

Good looking truck @SoopaHick . Those look like the stock 18" wheels to me. I recommend cutting an inch or so out of the step mounting brackets and welding them back together if you know someone who can do that. They don't look like an anchor and they actually work better as a step in my opinion.

 

[Brad J]

And no thread yet??? I am disappoint.

Same

Maybe one of these days I'll get around to it. I picked up an 01 V10 4WD Excursion with a bad engine and an 03 7.3 2WD Rolled over Excursion.

 

[mbryson]

Fun update on my commute this morning. Just pulling away from a light and saw the 123456.4 and had to break out the phone camera

 

[mbryson]

So Betty has her limitations but is a great rig within her envelope. In the process to get her more comfortable with heavy loads AND haul a certain muscle car (or two) I had to sell my kewl gooseneck (putting the Buick on that deck would test my mettle for sure) to kill a bit of weight.

Enter Betty's new friend I acquired today. 32' of Bubba. I expect Bubba and Betty will be good friends. Bubba weighs in at a svelt 4040 lbs. Betty's former beau, PJ was a hefty 5920. That's a ton of weight loss in the new relationship. Bubba does have six tires in the 15" flavor ( :/ ) instead of some F rated 16". Not ideal but in this trailer market, I don't care at all (hopefully that's not famous last words?.



Betty and Bubba on the scales with me as an escort (I'm currently 250 lbs)

Betty when I scaled her a couple years ago.


getting put to work before I even got home. Molly ( @lbryson XJ) had a little starter issue today.

 

[Hickey]

Wow, a ton lighter. That's a massive difference. The extra two tires will add a slight amount more drag, but that much weight loss will still be a net win.

There are some newer 15" trailer tires on the market in G and even H ratings.

 

[mbryson]

Wow, a ton lighter. That's a massive difference. The extra two tires will add a slight amount more drag, but that much weight loss will still be a net win.

There are some newer 15" trailer tires on the market in G and even H ratings.

Should make a ton of difference?