James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
agreed.Bone Down said:
I think they just want thier names to go down in the records that they authored a bill, just to show they were there.
Not really 4x4, but important:!!! ACTION ALERT! State OHV Law will hurt all of us!
- Thread starter mbryson
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I think they just want thier names to go down in the records that they authored a bill, just to show they were there.
James K said:
and to add to that the person(s) that authored this HB355 probably don't even ride OHV's in any form and could really careless about how these types of laws effect economy...
OHV sales decline
Licensing and taxing declines (will increase taxes in other areas to make up for this loss, who know's maybe I will propose a law that Mountain Bikes be considered eco powered ohv's and are hence forth subject to the same rules as HB355)
RV sales decline (trailers and motorhomes, and again the licensing and taxing of said RV's).
jobs are lost, unemployement occurrs etc etc, I could go on and on about the bigger picture..
Now before you take what I have typed out of context (not directed at any single person), I am not saying the industry as a whole will collapse, just saying that it will slow and inadverntly hurt the little guy down the line.
- Location
- Bountiful, land of rocks
Bone Down said:
Mountain bikes have the SAME access rules as ATVs/motorcyles. They are considered mechanized transportation.
James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
got a e-mail back from Jim Dunnigan.....................
Thank you for contacting me. This bill will be heard in the Transportation Committee next week. As you may know I serve on that committee. I will ask these questions when the bill comes before us. I would invite you to come and testify at the committee hearing if your schedule allows it.
Thanks,
Jim
Thank you for contacting me. This bill will be heard in the Transportation Committee next week. As you may know I serve on that committee. I will ask these questions when the bill comes before us. I would invite you to come and testify at the committee hearing if your schedule allows it.
Thanks,
Jim
RedBull_RockIt
Registered User
Here is what I wrote to represewntatives:
I have read the bill closely and understand that the intent of the bill is to promote responsibility and reduce injuries/issues with OHV use. However, after reading every point in the initiaitve, I find great flaws and questions with each one. The author of that bill obviously has not considered the application of the bill and has no understanding of the true scope of the sporting and hobbiest OHV industry. Yes, it is an industry.
Tell them NO on this bill and furthermore, tell them not to waste your precious time writing about things they do not fully understand.
My kids ride responsibly in groups of 5 to 8, as much as a mile away on a weekly basis. They have never had an issue however have proven time and again their responsibility. It is the parent's responsibility to make their decision if their child is capable of riding away from adults, not the state's. This 300 foot rule doesn't even take into account racers and there are hundreds, if not thousands of children in all kinds of OHV races every year.
If I am in an accident OF ANY KIND, I must contact the nearest law enforcement agency??? Oops, I made a mistake and slid on a turn and bumped into my riding partner...no one is hurt, there is no real damage, but let's call the police so they can take a report instead of focusing on the crime and other issues that are FAR more important.
Even if I destroy my bike and my partner's bike...why can we just not load them on the trailer and go home?
If we get injured we have to call law enforcement as well???...people get injured in all sports and activities, even typing letters to their representatives...why in the world wuld this be any different. If there is reason to call law enforcement, people will do just that. This law is a waste of time, precious resources, and money.
There are many more points but the main message here is that this legislation is GARBAGE. Put it in the trash can where it belongs and warn the supporters that they need to actually understand a situation before they can work on it.
Regards,
A FAMILY of OHV users, young and old:
Dustin Webster
Becca Webster
Ed Webster
Linda Webster
Garet Webster
Chase Webster
I have read the bill closely and understand that the intent of the bill is to promote responsibility and reduce injuries/issues with OHV use. However, after reading every point in the initiaitve, I find great flaws and questions with each one. The author of that bill obviously has not considered the application of the bill and has no understanding of the true scope of the sporting and hobbiest OHV industry. Yes, it is an industry.
Tell them NO on this bill and furthermore, tell them not to waste your precious time writing about things they do not fully understand.
My kids ride responsibly in groups of 5 to 8, as much as a mile away on a weekly basis. They have never had an issue however have proven time and again their responsibility. It is the parent's responsibility to make their decision if their child is capable of riding away from adults, not the state's. This 300 foot rule doesn't even take into account racers and there are hundreds, if not thousands of children in all kinds of OHV races every year.
If I am in an accident OF ANY KIND, I must contact the nearest law enforcement agency??? Oops, I made a mistake and slid on a turn and bumped into my riding partner...no one is hurt, there is no real damage, but let's call the police so they can take a report instead of focusing on the crime and other issues that are FAR more important.
Even if I destroy my bike and my partner's bike...why can we just not load them on the trailer and go home?
If we get injured we have to call law enforcement as well???...people get injured in all sports and activities, even typing letters to their representatives...why in the world wuld this be any different. If there is reason to call law enforcement, people will do just that. This law is a waste of time, precious resources, and money.
There are many more points but the main message here is that this legislation is GARBAGE. Put it in the trash can where it belongs and warn the supporters that they need to actually understand a situation before they can work on it.
Regards,
A FAMILY of OHV users, young and old:
Dustin Webster
Becca Webster
Ed Webster
Linda Webster
Garet Webster
Chase Webster
James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
I like it Dustin:greg:
just got another e-mail from Jim Dunnigan about the meeting.........................
It was to be today at 3 pm but it was moved to next Tuesday at 8 am.
Jim
just got another e-mail from Jim Dunnigan about the meeting.........................
It was to be today at 3 pm but it was moved to next Tuesday at 8 am.
Jim
- Location
- Bountiful, land of rocks
ace said:
No argument from this Mormon.........
Houndoc
Registered User
- Location
- Grantsville
Great job those who have gotten involved and are going to meet with the committee. Best way to get the results we want.
From work with various other issues, I will offer a couple pieces of advice (I know what people think of unsolicitied advice, but....)
1) You can get better results in some cases admitted there is a problem and finding agreeable solutions than going into the meeting with a stand of 'no problem, let us do what we want'. Thus my original suggestion of trying to modify rather than kill the bill. Hard reality is not all parents are responsible for their kids.
2) If that doesn't work, find a key person who can kill the bill before it comes to the floor and then work with the sponsor over the next year to prepare a better bill that we can support.
From work with various other issues, I will offer a couple pieces of advice (I know what people think of unsolicitied advice, but....)
1) You can get better results in some cases admitted there is a problem and finding agreeable solutions than going into the meeting with a stand of 'no problem, let us do what we want'. Thus my original suggestion of trying to modify rather than kill the bill. Hard reality is not all parents are responsible for their kids.
2) If that doesn't work, find a key person who can kill the bill before it comes to the floor and then work with the sponsor over the next year to prepare a better bill that we can support.
- Location
- Bountiful, land of rocks
From USA-ALL.....e-mail
James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
Dear Alert Subscriber,
The committee meeting that was to hear HB 355 on Friday was canceled. No action has been taken on this bill yet. It is scheduled to go before committee this Tuesday (yes that’s tomorrow). We hope to see some amendments to this bill. We have been told that we will see some amendments tomorrow morning. USA-ALL will keep you posted on any changes. As soon as we know of the changes we will give all of you an explanation of those changes and where we stand on the amended bill.
Thats good to hear, I will not be able to attend the meeting. Jim Dunnigan told me it is at 8:00 a.m. Tuesday morning.
The committee meeting that was to hear HB 355 on Friday was canceled. No action has been taken on this bill yet. It is scheduled to go before committee this Tuesday (yes that’s tomorrow). We hope to see some amendments to this bill. We have been told that we will see some amendments tomorrow morning. USA-ALL will keep you posted on any changes. As soon as we know of the changes we will give all of you an explanation of those changes and where we stand on the amended bill.
Thats good to hear, I will not be able to attend the meeting. Jim Dunnigan told me it is at 8:00 a.m. Tuesday morning.
James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
I was unable to attend, but I will send Jim an e-mail and ask.UtahFire said:
James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
UtahFire said:
email I got back fron Jim Dunnigan....................
"It was amended in committee and passed out of committtee, although it still has a lot of bad stuff in it. I can tell you not to worry because it is not going any farther in the process."
Jim
positive????
great scott
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Carbonvil/Price Utah
James K said:
Good
, but whats going to stop it?
James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
great scott said:Good
not sure but, Jim is on the transportation committee.
James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
one more thing, Jim is the only one who has responded to my e-mails.
James K
NO, I'm always like this
- Location
- Taylorsville, Ut
kinda furstratingUtahFire said:
The only one who responded to me was Dunnigan.