sixstringsteve
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- UT
I'm down to keep doing it. I had a blast, and it's nice to finally give back to the 4x4 community.
planning noob run part 2
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sixstringsteve
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- UT
In fact, it doesn't seem like much more work to plan all 4 at once. We can break the topics up by quarter.
I'd love a way to tie a ride in at the end. Unfortunately we only had one noob on rattlesnake, and he'd attended noob run #1, so it wasn't that new.
I'd love a way to tie a ride in at the end. Unfortunately we only had one noob on rattlesnake, and he'd attended noob run #1, so it wasn't that new.
- Location
- Never Far From Nowhere
I thought that the Tread Lightly training on Friday night was great, as was Kurt's musings on finding trails in Utah. Only real critiques of those were that we needed more lighting and it would have been really nice to have an actual fire pit.
Kurts Recovery 101 class was good, but I think it would have been better had we focused a little bit more on the basics by actually having a recovery situation to demonstrate. While talking about Pull Pals is cool, I think that is a little above and beyond the scope of what "Noobs" will be needing.
Steve, I agree on the vehicle modification part. I think that we could have been a bit more focused on the basics of 4x4's. What is 4wd? Why do I need it? What is a transfer case, differential, hubs, ect. Then at the end touch a little bit on basic modifications.
My etiquette section could have been paired down quite a bit, I think. Particularly since a lot of it was covered by Tacoma the night before. I also think it could have greatly benefitted from some visuals. I'll let others throw in their critique of that, though.
While I think everything went smooth and everyone had a good time, the driving section was the area I think could have the most improvement. I think we could have started everyone at the dirt/gravel mounds and started them off with a "why you need it in 4-Low" section and demonstrating how to take the right line to avoid getting big centered on some soft stuff thats not very intimidating. Next move them to the woopdedoos (or whatever) in front of the tent and demonstrate the articulation that their vehicles have. Then to the hill climb we had set up with Tacoma and finally to the coned off course. That would have "built" up their skill level nicely.
The only other thing is that I hope next time we can attract people who are really new too the sport and have very limited 4wd experience.
All in all I think everything went well and it was a great learning experience for all and will help us fine tune for next time.
Kurts Recovery 101 class was good, but I think it would have been better had we focused a little bit more on the basics by actually having a recovery situation to demonstrate. While talking about Pull Pals is cool, I think that is a little above and beyond the scope of what "Noobs" will be needing.
Steve, I agree on the vehicle modification part. I think that we could have been a bit more focused on the basics of 4x4's. What is 4wd? Why do I need it? What is a transfer case, differential, hubs, ect. Then at the end touch a little bit on basic modifications.
My etiquette section could have been paired down quite a bit, I think. Particularly since a lot of it was covered by Tacoma the night before. I also think it could have greatly benefitted from some visuals. I'll let others throw in their critique of that, though.
While I think everything went smooth and everyone had a good time, the driving section was the area I think could have the most improvement. I think we could have started everyone at the dirt/gravel mounds and started them off with a "why you need it in 4-Low" section and demonstrating how to take the right line to avoid getting big centered on some soft stuff thats not very intimidating. Next move them to the woopdedoos (or whatever) in front of the tent and demonstrate the articulation that their vehicles have. Then to the hill climb we had set up with Tacoma and finally to the coned off course. That would have "built" up their skill level nicely.
The only other thing is that I hope next time we can attract people who are really new too the sport and have very limited 4wd experience.
All in all I think everything went well and it was a great learning experience for all and will help us fine tune for next time.
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- Location
- Grand Junction, CO
I wasn't able to attend, but from what I'm already seeing here, I think everyone that put the event together and those assisted who accomplished a great thing. Kudos to everyone that stepped up to make this happen, as well as the 'newbies' that took the time to attend the Noob Run.
This is one of those events that I've proud to have the RME name involved with. Nice work guys, Shane and I will do all that we ccan to support any future events, if that's what you decide to do.
This is one of those events that I've proud to have the RME name involved with. Nice work guys, Shane and I will do all that we ccan to support any future events, if that's what you decide to do.
sixstringsteve
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- UT
I wonder if our target audience should include intermediate level wheelers too. Just cuz you've been on a trail a few times and can drive over big rocks doesn't mean much. There's still so much more to learn. I'm sure the non-noobs enjoyed the event as well and learned a lot. I know I did. I wonder if it'd be possible to gear some of it towards noobs, and some of it towards those who just want to learn more. I'll have to kick that one around in my head a bit.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
In 30 minutes it was a stretch to just cover the equipment and basics let alpone some actual recovery very scenarios. I think familiarity with equipment is a vital first step in safe recovery practice. A simple winch setup and implementation could easily be a 30 minute affair, leaving no room for the other fluff. I think we said all along it would be a 'wet your appetite' intro class... I think we can build on it from there. If/when quarterly events happen next year, we can start implementing.
sixstringsteve
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- UT
I enjoyed the 30 min recovery part. It was just enough for me to know what topics I should start researching. Then again, I'd heard of a lot of those tools before, but it was nice to have it all in one place.
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- SPANISH FORK, UTAH
I am not against extending the time we have to a full day on Saturday. Or do the same as this time and then a extra in depth part for who ever wants to spend the time.
I would love to mock up some recovery situations, not sure if MMP would work for that or not. Also would have to keep tread lightly in mind when doing so.
I would love to mock up some recovery situations, not sure if MMP would work for that or not. Also would have to keep tread lightly in mind when doing so.
Just spitballing on what Stephan and Kurt are talking about.. Perhaps next go-round there could be several classes that take place at the same time, just after the main instruction segments. These classes could cover more in-depth topics ranging from total newb, to medium newb, to slightly passed med-newb... That way the event participant could in a way tailor, or customize some part of the weekend to their immediate skill level. Someone who just inherited grandpa's '95 Trooper doesn't need to be part of a 30-45min class about proper winching. But some others who just tossed a winch on their YJ, or just bought a rig with a winch might like to see how to properly/safely operate that equipment..
Did that make sense?
Did that make sense?
sixstringsteve
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- UT
That's a really good idea. It seems like people of all levels of expertise are interested in this event, not just noobs.
It was an eye-opener to me how much I learned (or at least reminded of material I had forgotten.) Maybe we need to change the title to reflect that it's for teaching everyone, not just noobs. I still want it to appeal to noobs, but I definitely think we can cater to the more experienced wheelers and go in-depth on some topics as well.
Maybe we start with a list of what topics could be covered.
What months would be best to hold these? I think we could handle them every quarter. If possible, it'd be cool to tie it to a trail ride of interest, and the focus doesn't have to be on rock-crawling. Maybe each event could be themed. Like one that focuses on ghost towns, another on hardcore rock crawling trails, another on the PET, and another on winter wheeling. Who knows, I'm just thinking out loud here.
It was an eye-opener to me how much I learned (or at least reminded of material I had forgotten.) Maybe we need to change the title to reflect that it's for teaching everyone, not just noobs. I still want it to appeal to noobs, but I definitely think we can cater to the more experienced wheelers and go in-depth on some topics as well.
Maybe we start with a list of what topics could be covered.
What months would be best to hold these? I think we could handle them every quarter. If possible, it'd be cool to tie it to a trail ride of interest, and the focus doesn't have to be on rock-crawling. Maybe each event could be themed. Like one that focuses on ghost towns, another on hardcore rock crawling trails, another on the PET, and another on winter wheeling. Who knows, I'm just thinking out loud here.
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Steve, I was dissapointed I didn't make it to this event. I do like the idea of trying to do something like this every quarter. Just thinking out loud of course, and putting in my 2 cents. As Jason mentioned it would be nice to reach out to all levels of the off road community. But I don't think it needs to be done at each event. I think if we came up with a list of topics or things people would be interested in learning more about. Then made a schedule for the next year and tried to plan one of these every quarter. It might attract different crowds to different events. But if you mixed an advanced recovery class with say a beginners spotting class, there would still be something for everyone at each event. This way you wouldn't require logistically as many teachers and would keep the organization simple. I know in the past we have discussed "noob" fabrication and vehicle modification classes. Perhaps some of that could be incorporated into a schedule. There is always something for everyone to learn.
sixstringsteve
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- UT
zukijames
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- not moab anymore
i still say it would be a better recovery lesson if you really had to recover someone 
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- Sandy, Ut
i still say it would be a better recovery lesson if you really had to recover someone
Come out and roll a rig and we gladly will. But for the sake of time, liability and safety we started with the paper lesson.
zukijames
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any rig or does it have to be mine i offered but steve said there wouldnt be time lol and now my rig is in pieces
i offered but steve said there wouldnt be time lol and now my rig is in pieces
I think the number of "noobs" on RME is limited. But getting this out to the public would be very beneficial.
When I was in high school I wheeled, but didnt really abide by tread lightly, or laws for that matter. Involving those kids could make a huge impact on our sport.
When I was in high school I wheeled, but didnt really abide by tread lightly, or laws for that matter. Involving those kids could make a huge impact on our sport.
sixstringsteve
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- UT
yeah, we will definitely be expanding future ones to cater to non-noobs as well.
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- Salt Lake Utah
I had a great time thanks everybody for putting it on. 2 thumbs up!!!
At first I was a little apprehensive about going in rainy weather, I decided rain or shine I wanted to support the cause because there was a lot of good people involved....
Right away I realized this was not a "trail ride" but waaay more!!! I felt as if a lot of RME users would have just simply enjoyed themsevles without a rig present.
The location is perfect with the pavilion, plenty of parking, camping area, obstacles, rti ramp, teeter-totter... Good friendly people that wanted us there too (the last one was a big plus showing up and feeling welcome)
I liked the fact the emphases was not on just driving your rig at MMP. It was really for understanding tread lightly concepts & learning good trail etticate, meeting new people in the community (perfect for newcomers like me), getting your camping/cooking gear out, chatting around a campfire, 4x4 mods and products, safety/recovery... And finally at the end some seat time to test your driving skills, learning the importance of spotting with real world obsticals at the park. Oh and for only $10 bucks, it was well worth it.
Best part of the weekend was all the training sessions... Hands down!
Im a noob to this region, but not to offroading and felt like I was a part of each session and could contribute & take away lots of pointers in every fasset of the sport.
The friday evening camping/dinner/intro to UT trails session really let me understand how others plan an offroad adventure and how to broaden my horizons vs just hitting hard obstacles and famous trails.
I would agree there were some things I would change to help stream line the event, but this is not just a "show up and drive" type thing and I hope other users understand that there's a lot more to take away from these interactions than just seat time...
At first I was a little apprehensive about going in rainy weather, I decided rain or shine I wanted to support the cause because there was a lot of good people involved....
Right away I realized this was not a "trail ride" but waaay more!!! I felt as if a lot of RME users would have just simply enjoyed themsevles without a rig present.
The location is perfect with the pavilion, plenty of parking, camping area, obstacles, rti ramp, teeter-totter... Good friendly people that wanted us there too (the last one was a big plus showing up and feeling welcome)
I liked the fact the emphases was not on just driving your rig at MMP. It was really for understanding tread lightly concepts & learning good trail etticate, meeting new people in the community (perfect for newcomers like me), getting your camping/cooking gear out, chatting around a campfire, 4x4 mods and products, safety/recovery... And finally at the end some seat time to test your driving skills, learning the importance of spotting with real world obsticals at the park. Oh and for only $10 bucks, it was well worth it.
Best part of the weekend was all the training sessions... Hands down!
Im a noob to this region, but not to offroading and felt like I was a part of each session and could contribute & take away lots of pointers in every fasset of the sport.
The friday evening camping/dinner/intro to UT trails session really let me understand how others plan an offroad adventure and how to broaden my horizons vs just hitting hard obstacles and famous trails.
I would agree there were some things I would change to help stream line the event, but this is not just a "show up and drive" type thing and I hope other users understand that there's a lot more to take away from these interactions than just seat time...