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Question for the Toyota Guys
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sixstringsteve
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comanches = 
and much cheaper.
and much cheaper.
I looked at buying this truck before the 4.3 swap and imo it was pretty ghetto
Its true, however food for thought. if you rip off the GVW weight rating or sticker. it defaults you into the 26" frame height range. Quoted from the book
"NOTE: Vehicle must be on a flat surface and unladen for all measurements.
Frame height measurement is from the ground to the bottom of the
frame and should be taken on the left side of the vehicle under the
driver’s seat. If the door certification plate has been removed, the
vehicle shall be considered to be 4,500 lbs."
I know its 27", just saying as it isn't hard to drop 1".
Those are the only motors I would buy in a toy... other then the 4.7l V8
comanches =
and much cheaper.
X2! I have always loved those...
Silly Willy
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I've consitered a comanche. I've also looked at gladiators because I'm so comfortable with jeeps. (Could probably rebuild or repair most issies from cj5, cj7, yj, xj and tj
My only issue with them is is I'm kind of tired of the unibody... stiffen the crap out of it to still manage to crack it.
I noticed thiis as well, figured I could get it low ehough to pass
I'm thinking about checking it out this week and seeing the quality of the work on the 4.3 and sas. He said he bought it with the sas done and did the 4.3 himself.
Issues I'm seeing so far from talking to him are
3.5 inch exhaust (apparently from his buddies corvette? No cat, needs flairs, lowered an inch no paperwork for the swap.
Those are just from talking to him
If you happen to hear someone is looking for a 91 feel free to send them my way.
If you need a hand feel free to let me know. I'm happy to lend a hand or hold a light. I work in draper and would be happy to swing out before heading home.
I haven't even begun to look a 4 runers yet because of how foren toyota is to me.
I love the look of the older toyotas
I'm finding that unless they don't currently run or bad damage they are surprisingly expensive.
And sorry for my spelling. I'm doing this from my android phone.
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sixstringsteve
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the '96-02 4runners are VERY similar to a tacoma. Generally same front suspension, engine, tranny, and t-case. And they can be had a lot cheaper than a truck for some strange reason. You want to make sure the timing belt and water pump have been done every 90k, and that the lower ball joints are in good shape.
One more "issue" with the 4.3L swapped toy is that it has a chain-driven t-case. These are the t-cases that can't be reduced. So you'd need to buy a $300 adapter to go to a top-shift t-case to get the option to go to lower gears. Not a deal-breaker, but probably $7-800 to swap to 4.7 t-case gears. Toyotas really aren't anything special to crawl with unless you have either an auto trans or a 4.7 in the t-case. Once you have those, they love to crawl.
One more "issue" with the 4.3L swapped toy is that it has a chain-driven t-case. These are the t-cases that can't be reduced. So you'd need to buy a $300 adapter to go to a top-shift t-case to get the option to go to lower gears. Not a deal-breaker, but probably $7-800 to swap to 4.7 t-case gears. Toyotas really aren't anything special to crawl with unless you have either an auto trans or a 4.7 in the t-case. Once you have those, they love to crawl.
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zukijames
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i also had looked at that truck not in person.. but didnt like the idea of trying to get it street legal with the 4.3 and being so tall
i dont think the 3.0s got great mileage..
i found that for me and my needs a short bed 80's chevy will work better and be cheaper than trying to find a toyota that would work..
i dont think the 3.0s got great mileage..
i found that for me and my needs a short bed 80's chevy will work better and be cheaper than trying to find a toyota that would work..
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ricsrx
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This is the first time i have heard this. would you happen to have the code on that, am will try to look it up as well. It must be just a Utah thing..
I don't have a code for it, as far as i know it's 50 state wide, I just don't think it's necessarily enforced.
But like Lexus engines would be a valid swap for toyotas.
Same with acuras into hondas etc..
Or dodge engines into jeeps, because they are both mopar, which is why the 5.7 hemi engine is a common swap into jeeps, because it's legal.
*edit, okay the 5.7 hemi isnt legal because it's dodge, but because it was offered in the Grand Cherokee, which is jeep. So I was wrong there, but thats why the hemi is a legal swap into jeeps.
still, the 4.3 vortec is not an emission-legal swap into a toyota.
But like Lexus engines would be a valid swap for toyotas.
Same with acuras into hondas etc..
Or dodge engines into jeeps, because they are both mopar, which is why the 5.7 hemi engine is a common swap into jeeps, because it's legal.
*edit, okay the 5.7 hemi isnt legal because it's dodge, but because it was offered in the Grand Cherokee, which is jeep. So I was wrong there, but thats why the hemi is a legal swap into jeeps.
still, the 4.3 vortec is not an emission-legal swap into a toyota.
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http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=6944822
This could be sweet its an 85 so it stock sas
This could be sweet its an 85 so it stock sas
this explains it better, but I'm not gonna lie, they are taking it to the fullest extreme of the emission laws and rules, many inspectors would pass stuff even if it doesnt have all the bells and whistles.
http://www.powerblocktv.com/player/show_player.php?ep_num=XT2008-16&ep_show=XT
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sixstringsteve
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Nice find. I had an 85 with 365k on it that still ran like a top. It leaked oil, but it never let me down and I never had to replace anything on it. That one in the link is a great option. I'd still look for receipts on fll that engine work though.
Silly Willy
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This is a really nice find. The 2.4L is the 4 cylender isn't it?
This is kind of one reason I've been leaning towards toyota. They go, and go and go some more. Take care of them and they really last. (At least from all the stories I've heard)
Yep should be the 22re... This is the same vehicle I currently have.
sixstringsteve
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The 85s are the most desirable runner to get. It was the second year that efi was availabe (but not all had efi), the last year for the solid front axle, and the first year with power steering. It's tough to find them clean anymore. Most are abused or beat up from rock crawling.
Be prepared though. The 22re is a great motor and gets great mpg, but its not a powerhouse. Don't expect to tow with it. Don't expect to peel out or fly up parley's canyon. Think of it more as a tractor than a performance engine. ALso, Toyotas have a very high floor. THis leads to great ground clearance, but a lot of people find Toyotas to be cramped and small feeling. DRIve one first to see If you can handle it.
Be prepared though. The 22re is a great motor and gets great mpg, but its not a powerhouse. Don't expect to tow with it. Don't expect to peel out or fly up parley's canyon. Think of it more as a tractor than a performance engine. ALso, Toyotas have a very high floor. THis leads to great ground clearance, but a lot of people find Toyotas to be cramped and small feeling. DRIve one first to see If you can handle it.
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It is true, your also not supposed to put an engine with a bigger liter size, or from a vehicle that is older then the current year its going into, it must have all emissions options from both vehicles as well as pass a dyno test. Some parts are local state rules, some parts are federal rules.
I work with 3 people who drive vehicles that have engines in them that where not a factory option. They had to take it to the county inspectors and have it signed off. 2 of them made it sound simple. the 3rd had a list of things to fix and said it was a pain, but his quality of work is pretty low so it wasn't a surprise. I think there are a lot of grey area and a lot of picky rules about it.
the head of the emissions program told me himself "its easier to ask for forgiveness, then permission" as getting them to say its ok before you do it will be hard, but once its there and running they are more willing to "work" with you on it if that makes sense...
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btw here is all the Toyota tech you will need to know.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=775780
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=775780