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- Saratoga Springs, UT
Had to dodge the mayor's orders up by Logan to get this pic 
Record Snow pack, floods next?
- Thread starter Greg
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I was up in woodland this morning past kamas to do some camp clean up and the Provo was flooding out of bounds and onto the road. I thought it was kind of funny, there was a big open area with a shipping container and a for sale sign highlighting that the land was right on the river. It was ALL flooded and full of water. I should have stopped for a picture but I went for a big splash of water instead.
I don't know that I've ever been up around kamas thos early in the year but it was beautiful. So much green and sunshine and the perfect temps. It was a good morning.
I don't know that I've ever been up around kamas thos early in the year but it was beautiful. So much green and sunshine and the perfect temps. It was a good morning.
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- Riverton, UT
Joan had 3 heart attacks in 2 months and now has to use a rollator to walk. With me, at 93 and Joan 89, we are moving into a care place and should have more time to be active. Thanks for the Welcome. I am still driving so if things improve we might be able to make a run someday with the Subaru Outback.
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- Never Far From Nowhere
You're a good guy, Jack. All the best to you and Joan!
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- Riverton, UT
I pray for everything so you can blame me, NOT. The politicians we vote for are responsible for preparing the state for things like floods and we vote for them so ultimately the fault is ours. ours because we do not insist the law be followed and politicians carry out their duties.
That's fine that you pray, more power to you and I fully respect your right to do so. It just has no place in government. the Bill of Rights explicitly forbids government passing laws respecting a particular church. By your own challenge, since the separation of church and state is federally mandated and upheld, what do you recommend we do to those politicians that are obviously violating that? Should the police remove them from office?
Trust me, I INSIST that law be followed and my rights to a government not influenced by a church be respected, and I INSIST politicians not create legislation that specially respects the interests of a church. I'm here to agree with you, so what should we do? Are you willing to stand up and help me, for the sake of the core American ideals? Lets try to fix this together.
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Houndoc
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- Grantsville
I am not a fan of the government, but I don't think we can blame them for heavy snow and flooding.
While poor planning (usually on the part of land developers) contributes to some problems, it is okay to admit somethings happen outside anyone's control.
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- Riverton, UT
Good reply but I think the politicians we vote into office after they convince enough of us that they will the right thing for the State are the main problem. I remember my great grand father Waddle that owned property next to the Missouri River. It was rich bottom land that would flood about every 5-7 years but he had such a good crop on the good years that he put up with it. His land was on the Kansas side until one bad year his land wound up in Missouri and he lost it. this was impossible to plan for but what has happened in Utah could have been avoided just like all the Public land we have lost to political Wilderness etc.
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- Riverton, UT
The Church of Jesus Christ believes that politics will not be discussed in church which means we believe in the separation of church and state but we owe allegiance to the country which requires voting and running for political office. We believe in the 10 Commandments and carry those beliefs into our lives just as Atheist, LBTQ, ANY RACE or ethnicity/race does. Our guidance for politics comes from the Constitution. Cody, I think that is one of the reasons I like your comments because you speak your mind and what you believe to be truth.
I suspect you haven't paid attention to certain committees that will sit on legislation until the Church issues a public statement of position, then the committee all of a sudden has a position that happens to directly mirror said public statement. Also, I don't think any other organization has been fined more in Utah for lobbying violations than the LDS Church. I saw an article a year or two ago talking about it and it was pretty surprising...I'm trying to pull it up for reference.
I appreciate our banter as well Jack. I'm unfortunately not smart enough to keep track of my lies, so I try to just say what I think to be true so that next time I hopefully will say something similar ha ha.
My 3¢.
•Religion should play absolutely zero part in politics and any matter shouldn’t even bring up the other in conversation as they should play no correlation.
•Our political system is massively flawed
•I don’t blame politics/elected officials in the slightest for any sort of flooding event. This should be put on county and city municipalities individually for the large part, (storm drainage design requirements etc. as every area of Utah is effected differently than the next) and homeowners individually for the small part, including drainage grading of property and also flood preparedness in general.
•Religion should play absolutely zero part in politics and any matter shouldn’t even bring up the other in conversation as they should play no correlation.
•Our political system is massively flawed
•I don’t blame politics/elected officials in the slightest for any sort of flooding event. This should be put on county and city municipalities individually for the large part, (storm drainage design requirements etc. as every area of Utah is effected differently than the next) and homeowners individually for the small part, including drainage grading of property and also flood preparedness in general.
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- Never Far From Nowhere
People do realize "separation of church and state" means that the State will not have any form of official religion, right?
It has nothing to do with members of a religion holding office or practicing their faith while in office, or while in office making decisions informed by their religious convictions.
It has nothing to do with members of a religion holding office or practicing their faith while in office, or while in office making decisions informed by their religious convictions.
Still doesn’t mean I agree with it. Elected officials should be representatives of ‘the public’. Their decisions should be based off of what’s best for society in a general manner, religion not being a factor.
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- Grand Junction, CO
I'm going to start praying that this thread stays on track....
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- Never Far From Nowhere
The US is broadly religious. More so in some areas than others, but still most people are at least tangentially 'religious'. So if the elected officials are there to represent the public, and the public is broadly religious... I'll let you figure out the rest.
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- Never Far From Nowhere
We're good. Doesn't every Abrahamic religion have a flood story?I'm going to start praying that this thread stays on track....
Fair statement. My religious beliefs, or lack there-of, make me a minority statistically.The US is broadly religious. More so in some areas than others, but still most people are at least tangentially 'religious'. So if the elected officials are there to represent the public, and the public is broadly religious... I'll let you figure out the rest.
I’ll just end my piece by saying ‘murder should be illegal because it’s bad for society, not because the 6th commandment says thou shall not murder’ and so-on.
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- Never Far From Nowhere
I'm a devout nontheist and have been my whole life. My only exposure to the 10 Commandments is the Charleston Heston film.
That said, having been raised in these United States my worldview is inherently Judeo-Christian. Our laws, customs, and traditions have been shaped by 2000 years of Christianity that evolved in Europe and then crossed the pond with all those dirty conquistadors and Pilgrims. So when you say ‘murder should be illegal because it’s bad for society, not because the 6th commandment says thou shall not murder’ it's because for 2000+ years, the 6th Commandment said thou shall not kill.
I would argue that murder is deontologically wrong, which is fully independent of religion. I generally have the greatest distaste for the minority population of religious folks that believe morals and values exist because of religion.
That all being said, I'm going to murder a beer and end the hijack.
That all being said, I'm going to murder a beer and end the hijack.
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- Grand Junction, CO
My prayers aren't working.