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waynehartwig
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That definately defines a stock vehicle - I like it too! The only part I question, is the tire size... Maybe 37 is a bit big, 35 might be better? I can't think of many stock rigs on the trail with 37" tires... Seems like most of them are running 33's or 35's (or smaller).
Craig S
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Crossover conversions allowed?
Otherwise, I say run with it.
I'm not sure what your thinking here Brian, give me some help.
Craig S
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Does 1.7c mean no axle-suck winches? If so, the wording there might need to be changed from "compensate" to "adjust".
Same question as BC above, especially since I have crossover.
I think we need axle suck winches. What are you thinking? I also think steering should be wide open for rams and all the stuff to make it work.
Craig S
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35" was my first thought here Wayne, but most all the tire companies make a good 37. There is no penalty for 35s. Maybe the guys with 33s should get -5 points. Any other thoughts on this?
waynehartwig
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Not really.. Just thinking out loud.... Sounds like you have done more research than I have and you also have the experience of doing this before. So I think whatever you come up with is goign to be good for all.
Where the steering says "stock type components", that could be interpreted as needing a solid-axle Toyota, GM truck, or whatever to retain the nasty push-pull draglink. I guess another way to interpret it is that you need some kind of mechanical drag link, eh?
About the axle-suck winch, couldn't that be classified as a manual ride height control? (rule 1.7c)
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Not trying to be argumentative here, trying to understand the thought process.
A guy competing in the stock street class (the lowest class) who has a slighly modified Jeep, say a 2 1/2" lift with 33's gets penalized because his tires are too small?
A guy competing in the stock street class (the lowest class) who has a slighly modified Jeep, say a 2 1/2" lift with 33's gets penalized because his tires are too small?
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jgb
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That makes more sense to me.
waynehartwig
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Where the steering says "stock type components", that could be interpreted as needing a solid-axle Toyota, GM truck, or whatever to retain the nasty push-pull draglink. I guess another way to interpret it is that you need some kind of mechanical drag link, eh?
About the axle-suck winch, couldn't that be classified as a manual ride height control? (rule 1.7c)
I don't think a stock street rig should be able to have a suck winch. Limit strap maybe... But something to intentionally pull the chassis down, no. To me that is something a modified rig would have.
I'm thinking of a stock rig, something that is going to be doing 3.5 and down rated trails. To me, there is no reason to have somethign like that on a 3.5 rated trail.
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Craig S
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Craig S
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Most comp obstacles are rated 4+ and up, usually 5+ with bypasses around the real nasty stuff for street rigs. I would help, but it's not up to me, you guys decide & i'll write it up that way.
Craig S
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Where the steering says "stock type components", that could be interpreted as needing a solid-axle Toyota, GM truck, or whatever to retain the nasty push-pull draglink. I guess another way to interpret it is that you need some kind of mechanical drag link, eh?
About the axle-suck winch, couldn't that be classified as a manual ride height control? (rule 1.7c)
Give me some sample wording for this so that Toyota steering will work. I'm in favor of cross over steering with a ram. Your going to need it.
waynehartwig
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I think what you said was enough - hydro assist is ok, full hydro is not.
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Mechanical steering, hydraulic assist allowed (no full hydraulic steering).
Is that too simplified?
Also, I'm against the "suck" winch as well. However, I think if you have a bumper mounted winch you should be able to attach your hook anywhere on the vehicle to store it. If it happens to suck down the front end a tad, so be it.
Is that too simplified?
Also, I'm against the "suck" winch as well. However, I think if you have a bumper mounted winch you should be able to attach your hook anywhere on the vehicle to store it. If it happens to suck down the front end a tad, so be it.
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waynehartwig
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Also, I'm against the "suck" winch as well. However, I think if you have a bumper mounted winch you should be able to attach your hook anywhere on the vehicle to store it. If it happens to suck down the front end a tad, so be it.
That's kinda pushing it, but I can agree with it...
The part I have the problem with is most stock rigs don't have a place to attach it to on the axle. Nor is it typically stored there. But I also think that this would qualify as mechanical lifting/lowering of the suspension ride height. So I guess I'm technically against it.:-\