Rope or wire rope?

I Lean

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That doesn't make sense to me. No matter whether we're talking about wire rope or synthetic rope, the laws of physics don't change. When the rope/cable is on the bottom layer (right on the spool), the winch has the greatest mechanical advantage. It's strongest possible pull is when you're on the first wrap. The more cable/rope is spooled up, it effectively makes the drum larger, and reduces the maximum pull available.

The motor will make the most heat when it's under the largest load, i.e. stall. Getting to stall is more likely the more layers you have on the drum. (I've never noticed the rope not layering up, like you describe)

I may be wrong, but I don't think the heat from the motor is dissapated primarily into the drum, is it? It's mostly air-cooled, thus the cooling fins on the higher-end motors.

The heat in the drum (where the rope would affect it) is created by the brake, which isn't being used when free-spooling or powering in.

Has anyone here seen/heard of someone who actually damaged their winch due to the use of rope?
 
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sukaB

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I waited all day..........
I'll let you tomorrow's, outcome
Andy a**
 

BlackSheep

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Originally posted by sukaB
I waited all day..........
I'll let you tomorrow's, outcome
Andy a**

allright, time to reopen this thread.

Suka,
did you hear from warn? what did they say? What about other winch mfg?

I recently put a rope on my winch, and before I get rid of my cable, I need to find out how this thing is going to hold up. One guy's rope I saw was just thrashed. I don't know how long he had been using it, but the outer sheath was just shredded.....It made me think twice about giving my cable away.
 

tweakeyjeep

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Originally posted by RockMonkey
If yer gonna run UROC you gatta use rope. No wire rope is allowed anymore. It's in the new rules. Bummer eh?

Here's my rules. Someone give me a winch so I can act like I know what you fools are talkin about!!!
 

cruiseroutfit

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Originally posted by BlackSheep
...allright, time to reopen this thread....

I agree, I spooled out my cable on Rattlesnake last week and found that I had a nasty kink in my cable (BTW... I could swear that I put it back neatly...does anyone else have kinks appear out of nowhere :confused: ) ... anyways, I am going to spool it out again this weekend and see how bad my cable is...but I would really like to know what Warn said about the warranty and safety and such. Already broke one xd9000i pulling out treese (I know...its even worse when you break a birf and a winch pulling out trees)...:D

So I want answers..or I will call tomorrow and post my findings.;)
 

BlackSheep

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Originally posted by cruiseroutfit


I agree, I spooled out my cable on Rattlesnake last week and found that I had a nasty kink in my cable (BTW... I could swear that I put it back neatly...does anyone else have kinks appear out of nowhere :confused: ) ...
.;)

When I spooled out my cable to replace it, I found a kink in it. It wasn't too bad, but it was slightly deformed in one area. My winch had only been used less than a dozen times, and each time, I spooled it back in carefully. I think the 'out of nowhere' kinks show up when your inner wraps are not as tight as they could be and the outer wraps try to squeeze down under load.

definately let us know what's up!
 
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sukaB

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Warn stands behind the wire comes on our winches and we don't like rope......
I guess there going with all the heat issue's from rope keepin the heat in and helping to cause damage to the winch motor.
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I don't really see that as a huge prob but what do i know.....
I see it as winch manufacturers are selling wire on their goods and want to continue to see that.....
I say if your wheelin for fun use wire for durability and abuse.
If your competing and wirry about hurting folk and weight then run rope.

I have a new sponsor from blue diamond winch lines and they are certified lines! and half the price of any other winch ropes on the market.

Ohh yah If when you spool your wire rope in use a short piece of rope and hook the hook to it and that will allow the cable to spin and twist freely upon entry to the spool (IE)
Less chance of kinks at the spool...
 

fergusor

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I put my rope on really tight and nice like you would cable. At UROC I had to winch myself once and after I got the rope had worked it self through the surrounding rope and it looked like the rope under all the pressure was smashed flat. It looked like someone took a hammer to it. I never used rope soI dont know it that is normal.
 

BlackSheep

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Originally posted by fergusor
I put my rope on really tight and nice like you would cable. At UROC I had to winch myself once and after I got the rope had worked it self through the surrounding rope and it looked like the rope under all the pressure was smashed flat. It looked like someone took a hammer to it. I never used rope soI dont know it that is normal.

I used mine about 1/2 dozen times and it did the same thing. I tried to wrap it as tight as I could when I installed it.
 
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