So does the Buffdale shoot out bug anyone else?

[Jinx]

I know I am reading it one sided but if someone follows my daughter/wife home, and knows where I live. Hell ya I am going to go see what it was all about.

And realistically if I am concerned that there might be a problem I will be packing...

So then he finds a over achiever "neighborhood watch" guy who pulls a gun....

I am afraid I would have shot him too...

Am I wrong?

Now the Dad is in jail... :sick: that is BS...

 

[Herzog]

I would have shot him too. Why is he in jail? If ANYBODY were to pull a gun on me, I'D be damn sure that I would try to pull the trigger first.

You never brandish a weapon unless you intend to use it. They guy got what was coming IMHO.

 

[bobmed]

It all depends on when words were exchanged what was said.

 

[Jinx]

I am not sure if I understand what you mean?

 

[Herzog]

It all depends on when words were exchanged what was said.

Was there an exchange of words? I guess I didn't read too much of the story.

If the shooter was also the aggressor, he can probably pretty much plan on staying in jail.

 

[Jinx]

All I know is what was on KSL and I listened to the 911 tape... What a mess...

 

[SAMI]

Atleast post a freaking link to what the hell you're talkin about..

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=7252008

I had to google it...

Anyways, I agree that he shouldn't be in jail for attempted murder. He was protecting his family. Shouldn't neighborhood watch have the big magnet that says so on the door? Your best offense is a good defense. If people know the hood is being watched by vigilant parties, that could possibly cut down on vandalism and theft.

If the shooter did have a CWP, do you think that they'd have been as hard on him?

 

[Spork]

Link for the unfamiliar
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=7252008

If a couple strangers followed my girls home at night they are looking for trouble. In my neighborhood they communicated that a neighborhood watch program was going on and looking for volunteers. I believe they even got signs that stuck to the side of the car when they did it. I don't know how the attempted murder will stick it sounds like the neighborhood watch guy pulled his gun first (at least that is what the news just said).

 

[Jinx]

If the shooter did have a CWP, do you think that they'd have been as hard on him?

I am not sure it would matter, he is in hot water either way, but if I am with my daughter/wife and someone pulls a gun there is no way I would let them hurt her...

 

[Jinx]

Link for the unfamiliar
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=7252008

If a couple strangers followed my girls home at night they are looking for trouble. In my neighborhood they communicated that a neighborhood watch program was going on and looking for volunteers. I believe they even got signs that stuck to the side of the car when they did it. I don't know how the attempted murder will stick it sounds like the neighborhood watch guy pulled his gun first (at least that is what the news just said).

The bad part of the deal is that this Dad was probably trying to clear up a miscommunication/(figure out if it was really as bad as his daughter was making it out to be) so his daughter felt better about the neighborhood.

 

[Herzog]

After reading more about it, both sides are at fault.

First of all, the two guys doing "Neighborhood watch" should not be following people or questioning them either. They should only be watching and reporting.

Secondly, the guy protecting his daughter went out looking for them and became the aggressor. That's where he went wrong. Now I still don't think he should be charged for attempted murder if the other person pulled the gun first. We don't even know if the shooter was open carrying or illegally concealing (without a CWP). Regardless, he was defending himself if what we know is true.

 

[SAMI]

I feel like we're missing something. The article on ksl drags on while building up and setting the stage for the shooting.... Then... Ok a guy shot a guy. Why can't they include a little more about what went down once the dad confonted the men?

Major question to be answered.. Why was the neighborhood not made aware that this guy was going to pack heat while casing the hood? Why was his car not marked as to his intentions..

The neighborhood watch guy should Never have stepped out of the car with a firearm. That was a huge mistake. There was no reason for him to brandish the weapon in this situation. The father, that's justifiable.. But not the guy watching the hood.

 

[Jinx]

After reading more about it, both sides are at fault.

First of all, the two guys doing "Neighborhood watch" should not be following people or questioning them either. They should only be watching and reporting.

Secondly, the guy protecting his daughter went out looking for them and became the aggressor. That's where he went wrong. Now I still don't think he should be charged for attempted murder if the other person pulled the gun first. We don't even know if the shooter was open carrying or illegally concealing (without a CWP). Regardless, he was defending himself if what we know is true.

I thought the same thing, but where is the line between aggressor and just finding out what is going on?

If he went out to "Get those guys" then you are right, but if he is just going to find out what is going on... it is something different.

I guess you bring up he took a gun with him, but I can't say that a lot of us wouldn't do the same thing. Heck I hope all of carry a fire extinguisher in our rigs, just in case.

I would rather load for a bear and hope for squirrel then be loaded for a squirrel and run into a bear...

 

[SAMI]

I forgot that the dad went and looked for the men.. But, I'd do the same. I would've been on the phone with the police inthe first place though.

I still think that the N patrol guy shouldn't have shown a weapon. That situation should have been pretty easy to explain from his point of view.

 

[Jinx]

I feel like we're missing something. The article on ksl drags on while building up and setting the stage for the shooting.... Then... Ok a guy shot a guy. Why can't they include a little more about what went down once the dad confonted the men?

Major question to be answered.. Why was the neighborhood not made aware that this guy was going to pack heat while casing the hood? Why was his car not marked as to his intentions..

The neighborhood watch guy should Never have stepped out of the car with a firearm. That was a huge mistake. There was no reason for him to brandish the weapon in this situation. The father, that's justifiable.. But not the guy watching the hood.

Did you notice on KSL that the Salt Co Sherriff have issued a statement saying the neighborhood watch people should never be armed...

It is almost like the neighborhood watch guy was going to prove who as in charge by showing his gun...

 

[Herzog]

It is almost like the neighborhood watch guy was going to prove who as in charge by showing his gun...

That's the feeling I get too. If he does have a CWP, he should have known better.

 

[bobmed]

Lt. Don Hutson said, "They both got out of the vehicle. They were both armed with handguns ... words were exchanged, there was a verbal altercation, and unfortunately Mr. Campos, who is the father of the young lady, fired two rounds, possibly three rounds, at Mr. Serbek."

If there was a "verbal altercation" first did he identify himself or not?
If he didn't and was arguing and pulled his gun first then that would make a difference

 

[CJ Matt]

I have a CWP and think that the father was wrong for leaving the house with his gun and looking for these guys. He should have called the cops first. You do not take your gun out looking for trouble which is what he did. I also think they were both wrong for pulling guns because you have to feel your life is in danger to pull your weapon and the first person to pull theirs in this case should not have. The second acted in self defense but it sounds like a little comuncation could have prevented this from happening.

 

[Jinx]

I have a CWP and think that the father was wrong for leaving the house with his gun and looking for these guys. He should have called the cops first. You do not take your gun out looking for trouble which i what he did.

I disagree, we don't know he "was looking for trouble".

Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. This guy lives in Buffdale, when is there any "real" trouble in Buffdale, I feel the same way about my neighborhood.

His daughter comes home with a story of the boogie man chasing her and her friends home. His probably thinking dumb kids trying to pick up my daughter, but hey lets take a second and check it out.

The thought rolls through your mind, maybe there is a "bad guy", heck I'll grab the 9.

You go for a drive and holy cow there is the SUV like your daughter said. Well they don't look ghetto, why not talk to them to see whats up.

You stop to talk, you are out numbered two to one. (daughter doesn't count) and one of the guys gets out and pulls a gun.

All of a sudden these bad guys are real, you have the ability to defend yourself, so you do.

Then when the cops show you are still holding these crazy people who pulled a gun on you and one of them you shot. Just to find out one of these guys in the self proclaimed "neighborhood watch".

 

[Jinx]

If there was a "verbal altercation" first did he identify himself or not?

I see your point it. That would probably made all the difference.

I guess that is the part that bugs me about all this, it could have/should have been easily avoided.

No party really did anything wrong until whoever pulled a gun first...