sticky tires in the snow? short course tires in the snow?

zukijames

Well-Known Member
Location
not moab anymore
anyone have experience running stickies in the snow?

or short course 35s ?

i've talked to some that say no matter what the tire if its a sticky it sucks in the snow..


can someone shed some light on this for me?
 

RockChucker

Well-Known Member
Location
Highland
I ran a set of general short course tires in the snow. They sucked in terms of lateral traction but didn't seem much worse than a street tire in terms of obstacle traction if that makes sense
 

jinxspot

~ Bush Eater's Offroad ~
Location
Salt Lake Utah
I thought the BFG red did pretty well in the snow compared to all the other traditional bias ply tires I've used... still didn't make WW though... :mad:
 

EB101

Registered User
Location
Bluffdale
Ran my red labels up to the B on a winter run a few years ago. I went straight out and bought some MTRs for general purpose tires. Never again will I run stickies in the cold or on ice or snow. We spun out twice just on the road driving back down to the parking lot. Nobody else had those kind of issues with their street tires.
 

benjy

Rarely wrenches
Supporting Member
Location
Moab
Short course tires are the absolute worst in snow. Sticky treps are fine.
 

Gravy

Ant Anstead of Dirtbikes
Supporting Member
Sorry if I geeked out on this one, but I love this stuff.

I believe it has more to do with the tread pattern than the composition.

Common sense would dictate that big wide tread blocks have less biting edges than a tire with lots of edges (like a BFG AT), so you can deduce that most stickies have this weakness.
A big smooth face on a big tread block is what hurts snow traction.
Offroad tires are heavy. Heavy tires suck up horsepower. In snow you want as much wopow as you can.

The durometer changes with temperature. A typical auto tire (at nominal temps) is like a 70a. A sticky: around 61 or 62a
Depending on rubber composition the sticky will still have a softer durometer at a lower temp.
So it's not the fact that it's "sticky" that hurts performance in snow.



Things to consider: tread block deformation and shape will really dictate how a tire will perform but snow conditions vary so much that it's hard to point at one tire as the best.

Deep snow: you need a tire that will float and paddle you forward.
Hard Pack: you need biting edges and directional edges for lateral stability: you may even run a narrower tire to dig down.
Slush: Combo of the two.

Bad:
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Better but still no diagonals:
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Better:
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Better:
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decent pattern:
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Just as an example: those trucks that run the Red Bull Frozen Rush race use a short coarse sticky tire with spikes:
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What I'm getting at is that the fact that it's a "sticky" compound doesn't nearly matter as much in varied snow conditions as the tread pattern will.
Most times stickies get cut in pairs as "drive tires" and "steer tires" ask Robbie about grooving.
I don't think most popular dirt "drive" or "steer" patterns would be great right off the bat for snow, but adding diagonals and siping a set... I think you could make a set work well.

I believe that a properly grooved and preferably sipped short coarse tire would work well. (If you can add spikes, even better).

If you don't want to try tire screws or spikes, try some star patterns and go nuts with as many biting edges as you can.... there is a reason why BFG's and those michelin starcross tires work so well in some varied snow conditions.

So assuming you've to the power and your rig is nice and light: I'd start grooving and go have fun.
 

zukijames

Well-Known Member
Location
not moab anymore
I thought about just putting 39857204 , half inch sheet metal screws into the tread and just use the heads for added traction?


this set of tires was cheap and has pretty rotted sidewalls so I don't think I dare race them .
So I might as well try making them a sweet snow tire..

worried about lateral traction for sure
 
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