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Turning my garage into a poor man's shop. Simple garage "build" thread.

sixstringsteve

sixstringsteve

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Location
UT
rockdog said:
No, lay it over the front rim. On its edge just like the 2x4 rim. Basically you are doubling up the front. 13 feet is a pretty good span. It depends on how much weight you plan on putting on it. But I think it will surprise you how much it will carry if your sides against the wall are anchored well.
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would a 2x8 be stronger? I"m planning on about 3-400 lbs up there max. I sat up there last night and it held me fine.
 
Kiel

Kiel

Formerly WJ ZUK
its funny to see what kind of crap is in other peoples garages. That computer moniter is sweet!
 
SpeedyVic

SpeedyVic

Registered User
Location
Logan, Ut
sixstringsteve said:
THey have a lag bolt connecting them.
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Depending on the weight that will eventually end up there, over time, the downward force of the shelf and contents may cause the 2x4 to split at the point where the lag bolt enters the grain. If you pre-drilled the end of the board to accept the bolt, it will last longer. Big lag screws into end grain never seem to hold up as long as expected. The threads and shape of the bolt are already applying forces that encourage the grains of the wood to split. Adding weight tends to accelerate the problem. You are asking only the wood that is above the bolt to bear the weight of the shelf and the force of the wood grain to hold the board together.

Does that make sense? The way that you have done it is probably more than adequate for what you are planning. I apprenticed under a master carpenter for a year in my younger days. If he taught me nothing else, he taught me how and why to "overbuild" something out of wood.
 
skippy

skippy

Pretend Fabricator
Location
Tooele
Cupboards are definately the name of the game when you are cramming as much stuff as possible into a small area, ecspecially when you Have to store and be able to use the Air compressor, Welder, drill press, tube bender/notcher press and have a good table to work off of. I have changed things around so much in my garage and I finally found where everything goes where I can easily get to it and be productive. Here is my "corner"

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sixstringsteve

sixstringsteve

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Location
UT
Veyecteaoare said:
Depending on the weight that will eventually end up there, over time, the downward force of the shelf and contents may cause the 2x4 to split at the point where the lag bolt enters the grain. If you pre-drilled the end of the board to accept the bolt, it will last longer. Big lag screws into end grain never seem to hold up as long as expected. The threads and shape of the bolt are already applying forces that encourage the grains of the wood to split. Adding weight tends to accelerate the problem. You are asking only the wood that is above the bolt to bear the weight of the shelf and the force of the wood grain to hold the board together.

Does that make sense? The way that you have done it is probably more than adequate for what you are planning. I apprenticed under a master carpenter for a year in my younger days. If he taught me nothing else, he taught me how and why to "overbuild" something out of wood.
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Makes sense. I'm clueless when it comes to designing this stuff. Im open to ideas of how to improve it. I think ill leave the support post there until I come up with something better.
 
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rockdog

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Veyecteaoare said:
Depending on the weight that will eventually end up there, over time, the downward force of the shelf and contents may cause the 2x4 to split at the point where the lag bolt enters the grain. If you pre-drilled the end of the board to accept the bolt, it will last longer. Big lag screws into end grain never seem to hold up as long as expected. The threads and shape of the bolt are already applying forces that encourage the grains of the wood to split. Adding weight tends to accelerate the problem. You are asking only the wood that is above the bolt to bear the weight of the shelf and the force of the wood grain to hold the board together.

Does that make sense? The way that you have done it is probably more than adequate for what you are planning. I apprenticed under a master carpenter for a year in my younger days. If he taught me nothing else, he taught me how and why to "overbuild" something out of wood.
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The weight pushing down on the center joists will be minimal. The plywood overlapping the rear ledger board and front rim will be carrying most of the weight. The center joists will mostly be keeping the plywood from bowing. Yes joist hangers would help. But I don't think that his shelve is gonna fail without. The best way to connect them would have been nails rather than lags.
Not trying to pick a fight over Steve's shelving project. But I've built a lot of this stuff over the years. And one hell of a lot of houses. Not sure if that makes me a master carpenter or not?
 
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sixstringsteve

sixstringsteve

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Location
UT
My friends came over today and we really knocked a lot out. Thanks guys.

Frieed, a man much wiser and smarter than me, came up with a great solution to distribute the load without needing pillars in the way. It went quick and works really well.

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Thank you Kyle and Rosa for cleaning my garage too, that was too kind. You guys rock.
 
Spork

Spork

Tin Foil Hat Equipped
Location
Saratoga Springs, UT
The angle brackets look great, I did something similar with mine on the end by my door. I don't think you're going to have a problem with the amount of weight you're talking about.
 
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rockdog

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It looks great Steve! I was going to suggest kickers, that's what I did on my garage shelves. They will hold anything you put up there. You can't believe the crap I've got stacked on mine.
 
phatfoto

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
How big is that garage space? Do you have that much overhead space throughout the shop? Mine sure seems small even if I can fit my Supercrew in it. But only on one side.
 
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