UHP/LEO i need some info

[N-Smooth]

i got a ticket in garfield county for 25 over (90 mph in a 65 mph zone) and the officer drove past me and then turned around. is it possible to have him radar or laser me while he is driving towards/past me? once he passed me i slowed down and he turned around like 300-400 yards later, i could barely see him in my rearview when he turned around. he caught up to me a about 45-60 seconds later after i went around a bend and pulled me over and said i was going 90 and wrote me a ticket for exactly that. the ticket is $232! it is safe to say i was speeding, but not 90 mph for sure.
i just wanted to see if they have any devices that can measure speed in the way i described
i am not looking for anyone to feel bad for me or lecture me... just read.

thanks
nate

 

[reddevil]

In traffic school, the teacher said that radar works best when your coming right at it or going away from it. And that it does work when they are driving towards you.

 

[Dart]

Yes they have radars front and rear of the vehicle. they can zap you while moving and sittting.

 

[Crinco]

Take him to court and ask to see his calibration reports. If he can't show that his "gun" is calibrated then the ticket will not hold, I'm told. Never tried it myself.

 

[N-Smooth]

that is weird i never figured they would be able to do that. it is in garfield county so it is like 2hrs from here and that sucks. i think i'll request for them to lower the cost, i heard that actually works sometimes. but the big problem is my insurance might drop me due to tickets and i don't even have that many tickets

 

[Brad]

You would have to subpoena for the calibration record, first. In Utah, I believe the gun must have been calibrated within 10 days prior to the citation. However, you would have to prove that the gun was so miscalibrated as to null and void the reading of 25MPH over. The worst calibrated guns are still accurate within ±10MPH, so good luck with that one. I think you just have to accept responsibility and pay up.

 

[camicaztoy]

sounds to me like your stuck. but heres a great idea. try slowing down, there are speed limits for a reason. besides it sounds like this isnt your first go at this. if your insurance is ready to drop you then it sounds like this is a habbit.
dont get me wrong here, i dont drive exactly 65 either, but 25 over is a bit much.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Went I was young and dumb I tried to argue the vailidity of a radar reading. I was bunched in a group of cars and at a somewhat awkward angle to the officers gun.

It went a bit like this...

Judge to officer: "are you trained in visual speed recognition"
Officer: "yes, last certified yada yada yada... "
Judge: "What was your estimated speed of car?"
Officer: "37mph, yeda yada, yada..."
Judge: "Was this speed verified with a radar unit?"
Officer: "yes, yada, yada, yada"

Needless to say I payed the fine. Heres the thing that sucks, as soon as you take it to court, they no longer offer you the "buy it now" specials, or discounted tickets. When you go to court you pay for the amount you were actually speeding, not the amount the officer wrote the ticket for. Life varies and so do courts so your results may vary...

Years later after a couple years of physics classes, I can attest that they work as indicated. In addition there is NO way they would need to be calibrated every 10 days, even every 100 days. Lasers are pretty accurate and predictable...

 

[78mitsu]

I've played with a police radar, it's actually a pretty cool piece of technology, there are 3 independently verifiable methods of determining speed(lazer, x and k bands), if any of the bands are blocked, the others are used. and also an audible doppler. The system also has forward and rear facing down angle radar that figure the speed of the squad car to add or subtract against the speed of the target. The doppler is an audible tone that the radar makes, kind of a whistle sound the officer can associate a specified tone to a given speed, it's a pretty accurate system.

 

[Meat_]

First off, yes they can be in motion and radar you. But ONLY if you are closing on each other.

Google around, this is covered in depth in several places... you can beat speeding tickets (although for yours they will most likely fight harder). The key is to burry them in paper work, politely make it more trouble than it's worth for them. Plead not guilty this will make the officer have to come in (generally), wait until the last allowed date and ask for a postponement etc. Just make sure not to go so far as to piss them off

They have to be
a) certified run it (yes there are lots of cops that are not)
b) have one tuning fork for stationary radaring
c) have a second tuning fork for radaring while moving
d) have records of calibrating it

If it was raining or snowing you can fight the ticket and win... although radar *can* track things moving away from the radar array (gun in this case) they cannot use the radar gun on cars moving away from the gun.

 

[Meat_]

...In addition there is NO way they would need to be calibrated every 10 days, even every 100 days. Lasers are pretty accurate and predictable...

Technically yes, fortunately Law is rarely rooted firmly in reality

If they hit you with a lazer, forget it... pay the ticket.

 

[Don B]

My wife used to work in a small justice court and she never saw anyone beat a speeding ticket. The cop would be asked "are you certified in the use of that radar?" and when the cop answered yes, it was all over as far as the judge was concerned. Also most people go into court and say " I was going over the speed limit, but not that much" in which case they have admitted they are guilty and should of just stayed home. The judge will always take the word of the cop over the defendent.

Your best bet is to see if the court will accept a Plea in Abeyance. You will have to pay a fine, but it won't go against your record if you stay out of trouble for something like six months. Also ask if they have a driving school option to keep the points off your record.

By the way, did you get your ticket on Hwy 89 between Panguitch and Hatch? Bad place to speed, just about always a trooper along that stretch.

 

[Meat_]

I've been given two speeding tickets.

I pled no contest to the first and found out the next day I could have had it thrown out because the LEO wasn't certified.

The second I did my homework and court (my part) lasted all of 1 min 30 sec at which time the judge dismissed the ticket with prejudice (the prosecutor can't bring me back)

 

[utahxjer]

First off, yes they can be in motion and radar you. But ONLY if you are closing on each other.

Google around, this is covered in depth in several places... you can beat speeding tickets (although for yours they will most likely fight harder). The key is to burry them in paper work, politely make it more trouble than it's worth for them. Plead not guilty this will make the officer have to come in (generally), wait until the last allowed date and ask for a postponement etc. Just make sure not to go so far as to piss them off

They have to be
a) certified run it (yes there are lots of cops that are not)
b) have one tuning fork for stationary radaring
c) have a second tuning fork for radaring while moving
d) have records of calibrating it

If it was raining or snowing you can fight the ticket and win... although radar *can* track things moving away from the radar array (gun in this case) they cannot use the radar gun on cars moving away from the gun.

LOL, your funny man. Sounds like more work for you. (Oh and the radar/lidar can pick up your speed as your moving away from the unit)

 

[Meat_]

LOL, your funny man. Sounds like more work for you.

Not really. Doesn't take long to do it all. If you figure up the money you save on insurance (screw the ticket that amount is irrelevant) you are making pretty good money per hour spent. And if you drive for a living (like I do) you need to keep as many points away from your license as possible.

(Oh and the radar/lidar can pick up your speed as your moving away from the unit)

Yup, but (at least when I was doing my research which was several years ago..) it isn't admissible in court.

 

[spencurai]

I love these threads....Woe is me cuz I can't slow down and I keep screwing up...lol...you get exactly what you deserve when it comes to speeding.

A tip...

Automobiles come with a variety of foot operated controls. These controls can be anywhere between 2 and 5 in number but you can count on the fact that the pedal furthest to the right is the one that you need to use less of. Try not pressing on it so hard and see what happens! According to researchers employed by private testing companies you can significantly reduce your chances of exceeding posted speed limits by simply using that pedal less.

Just trying to help...

 

[N-Smooth]

thanks to all of you that actually read what i asked and tried to answer. to the others that didn't, well you know where to go. try reading before you go all pbb on me

 

[utahxjer]

Yup, but (at least when I was doing my research which was several years ago..) it isn't admissible in court.

Yeah, they've gotten alot better I'm sure just like all of technology.

 

[StrobeNGH]

Plea and abbeyance . . .

So, you weren't going 90 . . . how fast were you going?
Do you ever go 90?
If so, how often do you go 90?
Were you using cruise control when you got hit?

Unless you had your cruise control set at 65, and someone had a camera on the speedo the moment the officer passed you, suck it up and pay it . . . and stop speeding

 

[Meat_]

Although you can raise enough doubt for the radar evidence in court,they really are very accurate so IF you are POSITIVE you were not going 90 that means he did not use radar on you but instead he estimated your speed. So if you go to court the LEO most likely will not show up and lie in court. That was my situation on my second ticket.