Someone was contacting me to speak at this thing....wrong move. Once I saw the names on the list I was almost tempted to do it and be a voice of reason in the face of all the disgusting rhetoric that is going to be spewed at this thing and actually talk about what balanced actually means. The sad thing is that Karen Neisler is a close family friend, and it hurts me to see her actually willing to be involved in this. I spent most of my childhood camping in the swell with her and her family, and if she knew what SUWA's idea of "balanced management" really meant, I don't think she would be there.
Upcoming SUWA Rally, maybe we should rally against their rally
- Thread starter Cody
- Start date
- Location
- Never Far From Nowhere
You should speak at it, Cody. That would be awesome.
zukijames
Well-Known Member
- Location
- not moab anymore
10$ from. Me if you speak at it 15$ if you post video..
Im sure others would throw out some money to!
dooo it man!
Im sure others would throw out some money to!
dooo it man!
jinxspot
~ Bush Eater's Offroad ~
- Location
- Salt Lake Utah
I got another 10 spot yo!!!
zukijames
Well-Known Member
- Location
- not moab anymore
I will speak for maddie she's in for 10$ even if I have to take it out of her purse!
Can you give me the details of what is so bad with the SUWA proposal Cody? I am sure my mothers intentions are good and when I read the information on that rally it doesn't look too bad. Doesn't say anything about offroading just drilling. Maybe if you went over the details of what is wrong with their proposal she could bring it up while she is speaking or might change her mind about it altogether.
Cascadia
Undecided
- Location
- Orem, Utah
10$ from me.
gijohn40
too poor to wheel... :(
- Location
- Layton, Utah
I have family members that support that cause and when I try to talk to them about it they just say I am wrong and lying about the cause. Brain washed to the max... thank god they are to lazy to do anything about it...
- Location
- West Jordan
Yes.
Yo Mark,
I did respond to her about my thoughts, and it isn't the drilling that I have a problem with, it's their "secondary message" of "balanced land management" that is BS. I agree that there are areas that are too special for drilling and resource extraction, but the bigger picture is hidden directly in their secondary message. They are just using it as another way to preach their ARRWA and their version of land management is exclusion, not balance.
I'd be happy to send you the email I sent to Karen if you like. It's a little more detailed.
Cody
I think you have convinced her not to speak. Might I suggest a strategy for the anti rally rally. Rather than turning it into a pro-drilling rally why not make it a anti drilling rally with no hidden agendas. The email you sent me was well thought out with reason and evidence. Much better than your opponents who basicly just called you immature extremists. I would hate to see the results of the anti rally be that they drill the swell.
scoutabout
None
Tim Wagner was a cool guy when I knew him from Sierra Club. Now it's the same old scare tactics using drilling and destruction as the excuse for closing 100% of mechanized travel. Cody, you're an access hero.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
That is a great suggestion Mark. I think that you will find that many here (OHV community) don't want the Swell drilled either, particularly some of the plots the BLM proposed to lease such as the land around the Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry. However Cody is spot on about the secondary agenda pushed by many pro-Wilderness groups (I'm pro-Wilderness where appropriate by the way), they will push this agenda today, if/when drilling is killed they will then work to restrict OHV use even from existing trails with historic use. Kudos for hopping on and chatting.
muleskinner
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Enoch, UT
I'm curious, who determines "where appropriate"? Sierra club? You? Me? BLM? ??????
What may seem appropriate to some, won't be for others.
JL Rockies
Binders Fulla Expo
- Location
- Draper
Anti-drilling is anti-common sense, anti-security, pro-war and pro-economic destruction. Eff SUWA and the horses they rode in on.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
The actual legal definition, i.e. in short terms no impact by man, meeting the continuous size restrictions, etc. It does exist in Utah and I think it deserves protection. However it doesn't exist in 75% of the places SUWA is finding it. The BLM, the State of Utah and the motorized advocacy groups can agree on ~3M acres, much of which is within existing WSA's or critical concern areas. The power play of the motorized community would be to get behind this and push it as a 'one and done' Wilderness bill. The rest isn't Wilderness and shouldn't be managed as defacto Wilderness, thus WSA's that don't qualify should be returned to standard management, open for recreation, considered for oil, gas, mining, etc. Only congress can designate Wilderness using their legal definition.
JL Rockies
Binders Fulla Expo
- Location
- Draper
Excellent question. The biggest question is: "why is the Fed at the table?" Answer: because the Fed decided the Constitution is irrelevant and decided that they owned the land. The bigger issue is all the citizens who have no problem with that.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
So let me get this right, I'm pro-war because I don't think the should drill under and surrounding the Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry? Or I should be OK with oil interests closing historic motorized routes on public lands near their operations? I'm 100% for drilling in appropriate places (Vernal is fit for it
) but Eagle Canyon isn't one of them and it seems more sides are agreeing. In the old days oil, gas, mining companies left us a network of roads to recreate on (i.e. Moab and much of Utah). OK, valid point but that was 50+ years ago. Name a trail in the last 10 years that is result of the extractive industries... I mean they are pulling more out of Utah than ever, whey don't we have more trails then ever? Because they gate them, reclaim them, squat on them, thus locking out users. Oil companies are not on our side, they will sell/trade/barter at the first hint it helps them, not us. The Wilderness Study Area surrounding Devil's Racetrack and Eva Connover and continually threatening the existence of those two fabulous routes... only possible because the oil company that had a valid lease was willing to trade the BLM for a better parcel so that the area would qualify size wise for a WSA. The represent their financial interests and rightly so, don't expect them to represent yours.