URGENT! Little Sluice to be altered this Friday.

Time to fire up the email war machine:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gene...3411-urgent-little-sluice-altered-friday.html

Via Jeremy Pool on RR4W facebook page:
"Have you seen this???? Make your voice heard! Copy and paste off the comment thread to make it easy. "

Do it, now.

Sent mine, here it is. If you use it, change the details, unless you really were there with your youngest son two weeks ago.

Dear Supervisor Sweeney,

Please do not destroy the Little Sluice on the Rubicon Trail.

I just heard that the Little Sluice is going to be permanently modified late this week (Friday, September 28th) by your order. I am asking you to not crack the rocks, and to not dump 800 cubic yards of rock, destroying what has become a iconic section of the world famous Rubicon Trail.

My youngest son and I recently made the trip from northern Utah to the Rubicon. I tried back in '98, but had vehicle difficulties on the trip from Utah, and was only able to come in to Rubicon Springs from the Tahoe side. Two weeks ago we finally made the trip, but due to issues the first day, we were not able to visit the Little Sluice. There are bypasses around the 100' of trail that includes the Little Sluice and we actually used the bypass without even knowing it and was not able to go back. I plan on returning next summer with my other sons to do the trail again, including the Little Sluice.

I do not understand the need to fill in the Little Sluice. There is no impediment to the trail. The issues of degradation have been managed by both the County and user groups. There is no good reason to reduce this Icon of the trail to rubble.

Please call off the demolition and construction crews. Then, please sit down with trail users and devise a plan to manage the area to reasonable standards that the County and users can agree on.

Please, do not destroy Little Sluice, it is an Iconic section of the famous Rubicon Trail.

Best regards,

Brett Davis
Draper, UT
 
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sixstringsteve

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UT
man, I was afraid this would happen sooner or later. That's why I ran the trail as soon as I could. Before we know it, it's going to be a gravel road. We saw the "erosion control" team up there who were breaking up big rocks and making them easier. Thanks for the heads up.
 

sixstringsteve

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UT
I just sent an email. I won't post the content of the email here because I don't want people to copy/modify what I said. It's easy, and it only takes 2 min. re-post of the pirate info:


Hey everyone, the famous Little Sluice on the Rubicon trail is set to be majorly altered this Friday. They are planning of flying in tons and tons of fill rock and cracking up to 13 boulders in this small 100' section of the Rubicon trail.

We are trying to stop this from happening and can use all the help we can get.

Here is part one of the plan.....

Email El Dorado County and ask them to halt all alterations of the world famous little sluice.

Send El Dorado County Supervisor Jack Sweeney and his fellow Supervisors an email and CC it to the other contacts below. It is important that this be made known to as many people as possible, they need to be pressured into stopping this!


Email to:
El Dorado County Board of Supervisors
edc.cob@edcgov.us
bosthree@edcgov.us
bostwo@edcgov.us
bosone@edcgov.us
bosfour@edcgov.us
bosfive@edcgov.us

CC:
senator.gaines@senate.ca.gov, ca04tmima@mail.house.gov
CDaley@mtdemocrat.net, mtdemo@mtdemocrat.net, lkalb@sacbee.com, clocke@sacbee.com, damador@cwo.com, granat.amy@gmail.com


c'mon guys, this is so easy. Before we know it, this trail will be closed, or it'll be a gravel road with more traffic than AF Canyon on Memorial Day.
 

sixstringsteve

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UT
*Little Sluice restoration brings e-mail flood*


Source: ‘Little Sluice’ restoration brings e-mail flood | Mountain Democrat (http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/little-sluice-restoration-brings-e-mail-flood/)



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Within the space of a few hours on Wednesday, Sept. 26, the Mountain Democrat had received well over 100 e-mails copies of letters sent to each of the five members of the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors. Most in a similar format, the writers pleaded, asked politely, urged, cajoled and begged supervisors not to move ahead with planned maintenance on the Rubicon Trail scheduled for Friday, Sept. 28.

Many of the letters came from off-roading clubs and residents of Northern California, but a significant number were sent by folks from Utah, Georgia and parts in between. The following is representative both in tenor and style:

I am a resident of OHIO, but I come visit the Rubicon annually. We drive 39 hours one way to California just to recreate at the Rubicon and Fordyce Creek area and spend $1,500-2,000 locally every trip for fuel, food, groceries, lodging, and entertainment. There are a lot of other out-of-state residents who also travel to California for OHV recreation.

Please do not crack the large rocks in Little Sluice or the other areas slated for permanent destruction. Please do not fill Little Sluice with imported rock. I am still planning to travel to your area with my kids over the next couple of years to show them this pristine alpine recreation area. I doubt Ill make the trip or invest in your local economy if the spectacular and beautiful challenging features are obliterated.

Describing the area called Little Sluice Box as iconic with national and international appeal to off-roaders, the writers generally tried to convince the board that the work was unnecessary and the modification to a small but treasured stretch of the trail would be irreversible as well as unforgivable.

The crux of the current matter goes back to the spring of 2009 when the county received a Clean-up and Abatement Order from the states Central Valley Regional Water Quality Control Board. Known in short as the CAO, the order directed the county and to a lesser extent the U.S. Forest Service to work together to clean up and abate a range of environmental threats along the Rubicon Trail.

The order further threatened the county with substantial financial penalties for failure to comply and included timelines within which certain mitigations would have to be completed.

Citing water pollution from dirt and sediment caused by traffic near streams and at popular fords across waterways, the CAO directed the county to reroute parts of the trail and reduce the direct movement of earth into the water. Bridge construction and repair are also part of the order.

Toxic fluids such as gasoline, oil and lubricants spilling from overturned or disabled vehicles were also listed as pollutants that need to be eliminated under the CAO.

Trail users now range from regular, street-legal 4x4s to specialized vehicles engineered for rock-crawling and extreme off-roading. The Little Sluice area has been modified over time to represent a significant challenge to drivers of the specialty machines. The family Jeep or 4×4 truck is incapable of running Little Sluice because of giant boulders that have been winched onto the right of way to increase the extreme challenge.

Consequently, the area has become a network of bypasses and detours outside of the traditional route and therefore an increased threat of pollution and environmental damage, according to the CAO.

In addition to water pollutants, the state described scenes of general environmental degradation, including human waste and toilet paper strewn along the trail, bottles and cans and trash of all kinds. Reports of drunkenness, discharge of firearms and rowdy behavior on the Rubicon had circulated for years as there had never been a regular law enforcement presence on the route.

The Rubicon Trail has been a public road since the 1860s. Traveled by miners, timber concerns, rockhounds and tourists for decades, the trail became a four-wheeling destination after the 1950s. The Jeepers Jamboree, created at that time, spread the word to the nascent off-roading community, and the trail became the Crown Jewel of Four-Wheeling.

El Dorado County became the actual owner of the road after years of neglect, wrangling with the Forest Service and right-of-way uncertainties. A recent agreement with the Forest Service officially granted the county certain easements which allow local authority to regulate and maintain the approximately 22 miles of trail within its jurisdiction.

That agreement was generally necessary before the county could undertake significant efforts to comply with the CAO, and the work scheduled for last week was part of that larger project.

Vickie Sanders, administrative analyst with the countys Chief Administrative Office, has been the staff person tasked with much of the red tape involved with the water boards order. The countys Department of Transportation is responsible for planning and carrying out the specific projects on the ground.

Sanders returned calls from the Mountain Democrat that day as the emails were piling up all over the county. She described the scheduled work as a combination of timing, weather and good luck. The latter referred to the unexpected availability of an Erickson Air-Crane, a super heavy-duty helicopter that can lift tons of material and complete work in a few hours that would take road crews up to two weeks or more.

The big chopper was scheduled to fly from its headquarters in Oregon to a job in Southern California, and Sanders explained that she and her team were able to get the machine detoured for two hours to work above the Rubicon. The air-crane was used to haul tons of rock and gravel from other areas of the original trail to fill-in parts of the Little Sluice Box in accordance with the Cleanup and Abatement Order.

Were doing trail maintenance per the CAO, Sanders explained. We have to cover areas of soil that have been affected by oil from vehicles on the trail. Its an environmental as well as a safety issue and complies with the CAO.

Sanders acknowledged that she was somewhat perplexed by the flood of protest letters as she noted that the project has been on the books for more than two years and should not have been a surprise to any of the trails user community. The sense of urgency was only related to the sudden window of opportunity to use the air-crane that day, she said.

Were not trying to do this to oppose the user community, and we want to keep the challenge of the trail as best we can, she said. I hope theyre just venting, and we have high hopes that theyll be satisfied with what we have to do. But were a little concerned and well have backup from law enforcement.

Despite the avalanche of e-mails and earlier concerns about potential conflict at the site, Sanders reported via e-mail Tuesday that the project went off without a hitch, and there were no protesters on the scene.

It was anticipated that the helicopter would be able to make eight drops of up to eight tons each, Sanders said. Then crews from DOT would spend several days spreading the new rock around the area and use a boulder buster to blast some of the largest rocks into two or three smaller pieces.

She repeated that soil, safety and environmental issues are driving the overall effort and not in any way, shape or form meant to anger anyone or be adversarial to trail users.

John Arenz, vice president of the Rubicon Trail Foundation and a life-long four-wheeler, has been involved with the issue for years. The foundation has maintained an agenda of realistic compromise with the county and is most adamantly opposed to any outright closure of the trail.

We have concerns, Arenz admitted. No matter what you do, some people and groups are not going to like it. We dont represent the wishes of all the trail users, and there are legitimate wheelers who vehemently disagree over how the trail should look.

His group was part of ongoing negotiations that resulted in the withdrawal of lawsuits that could have led to closure of the trail.

The Board of Supervisors directed DOT to reduce the rock size at Little Sluice, and now theyre going ahead and doing it. We asked that the county add more fill to lessen the amount of rock-blasting and the board made that decision, Arenz said.

In legalese, the trail is an attractive nuisance, Arenz noted and the RTF made compromises on behalf of most users. He said the county is using best management practices to achieve the Cleanup and Abatement Order.

The county has done nearly everything we asked, and we feel that they have done what they needed to do, and weve done what we needed to do.

Arenz acknowledged that there are extreme views on both sides of the issue, that is the environmentalists and the extreme off-roaders. He said the work to be done by the helicopter is the cheapest and most efficient way to move the material and added, we expected this (the reaction from some users) and that some will be unhappy about it.

County staff at the Clerk of the Boards Office were bombarded by the number of e-mails coming in to supervisors and to their department. Supervisor Jack Sweeney said tying things up and flooding the front desk does not help.

Sweeney is the board member most involved with the Rubicon Trail issue and he told the Mountain Democrat that he has fond memories of riding on the trail in a stock Jeep in 1958. He envisions a return of the trail to its earlier condition to allow nearly stock vehicles to again be able to drive the entire route.

This is a public road after all. Its not anyones special playground that excludes everyone else from using the trail, he said. We are doing exactly what we said we were going to do back in January of 2010 and what came out of the negotiations to drop the lawsuits and to comply with the CAO.
 

sixstringsteve

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UT
goodbye little sluice. Looks like there are fewer and fewer places to take a built rig these days. I wonder what will be left by the time I have kids. At this rate, the Pony Express trail, if it's still open, will be about as hardcore as it gets... :rolleyes:
 

zukijames

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not moab anymore
i'd say more expo areas are getting closed then hard core areas.

in utah when was the last hardcore trail closed by the blm? we've lost a few to private buyers.. but we also have coyote opened back up and have like 3 new trails at bfe in the last year or so
 

Herzog

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i'd say more expo areas are getting closed then hard core areas.

in utah when was the last hardcore trail closed by the blm? we've lost a few to private buyers.. but we also have coyote opened back up and have like 3 new trails at bfe in the last year or so

Sweeping closure of a lot of good trails in the Carbon County area (which were cataloged, submitted and then "lost" during the RMP...) along with the removal of open travel designation in many areas of the state. As well as the route designation change from "Open unless posted" to "Closed unless posted".
 

sixstringsteve

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UT
i'd say more expo areas are getting closed then hard core areas.

in utah when was the last hardcore trail closed by the blm? we've lost a few to private buyers.. but we also have coyote opened back up and have like 3 new trails at bfe in the last year or so

Which "expo" areas are getting closed? There's a route here or there, but with thousands of miles of dirt roads, it's a drop in the bucket. Close a big obstacle like little sluice, and the only other thing Northern CA has is Fordyce. The way the trail is now, I'd be bored to death in a buggy on the Rubicon.
 

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CaptainRob
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sugar house
Which "expo" areas are getting closed? There's a route here or there, but with thousands of miles of dirt roads, it's a drop in the bucket. Close a big obstacle like little sluice, and the only other thing Northern CA has is Fordyce. The way the trail is now, I'd be bored to death in a buggy on the Rubicon.

i was bored to death on the rubicon in a fj40 on 33s.. i hate this destruction as much as the next guy but the rubicon isnt a "hard core" trail, its a beautiful family weekend trail. maybe they are doing this to keep the guys with the buggys off the trail. from what ive seen, people in buggys are more likely to get bored and go off the trail(example: i have video of brad lovell monster trucking his buggy all over hells revenge 2 years ago) if you have a buggy, go to the hammers, dont go to the rubicon. you dont see micheal phelps swiming with your grandmas aerobics class...
 

sixstringsteve

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UT
agreed, but little sluice was definitely hardcore. That was a tough section. From what I've read, there were two reasons people wanted to break it up.

1) it was an "attractive nuisance" that caused riffraft to gather. (not my words). They figured that people with buggies partied harder than the people who had more stockish rigs. Or in other words, the bigger the tire size, the more likely you are to trash the place.

2) One of the guys on the board of the RTF (sweeney) hosts the Jeeper's Jamboree for profit. The more rigs that go on Jeeper's Jamboree, the more profit they make. If they can make the trail more accessible to stock rigs on 31's, he can get more people on the trail for his jambo and make more money off it ($400 per person).


What I don't understand is why they broke the big boulders into smaller pieces, when there was a perfectly legitimate bypass to the obstacle. It's not like people were driving off-trail to go around it, there's an established bypass around it.
 

Herzog

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i was bored to death on the rubicon in a fj40 on 33s.. i hate this destruction as much as the next guy but the rubicon isnt a "hard core" trail, its a beautiful family weekend trail. maybe they are doing this to keep the guys with the buggys off the trail. from what ive seen, people in buggys are more likely to get bored and go off the trail(example: i have video of brad lovell monster trucking his buggy all over hells revenge 2 years ago) if you have a buggy, go to the hammers, dont go to the rubicon. you dont see micheal phelps swiming with your grandmas aerobics class...

I like to take my buggy out on scenic trails and I don't get bored. It's the attitude of the person, not the vehicle.
 
^This. I didn't do the rubicon because it would be a challenge. I did it because of the history, scenery, and friends on the trail. I wish they would just leave it alone and stop trying to "improve" it.
 

cruiseroutfit

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Which "expo" areas are getting closed? There's a route here or there, but with thousands of miles of dirt roads, it's a drop in the bucket. Close a big obstacle like little sluice, and the only other thing Northern CA has is Fordyce. The way the trail is now, I'd be bored to death in a buggy on the Rubicon.

One shalt not paint with a broad brush and the only Expo I know of in Salt Lake is the Salt Palace and Sandy Convention center... That aside.

We did lost several thousand miles of OHV routes when the RMP's went through in 2005-10. Of notable back-country routes we have lost in the last 5-10, the Pariah River Trail (BLM), Horse Canyon (NPS), Salt Creek Canyon (NPS), Rincon (NPS). Beyond that the thousands of miles in most cases constitute short spurs, route weaves, camp loops, etc.

Of the more difficult 'day trails' we've lost in the last 5 years, the majority have been the Price RMP (which has not been enforced to my knowledge) and the Utah State land sales in the Moab area that have led to the loss of Proving Grounds, Lower Helldorado, Lions Back, Dump Bump, etc.
 

cruiseroutfit

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Don't forget Cardiff Fork, Pittsburg Lake and Corner Canyon.

All are 10+ years, Cardiff was 1994, there was a tiny bit of hope in 2003 when Salt Lake County claimed it as a RS2477 route for a minute, they caved under pressure. Pittsburgh and Corner Canyon were technically both over 10 years too however there was some gray area :D

I've got a pretty comprehensive Utah trail list (500+) that includes who manages and if/when they were closed. Plenty of 10+ year old ones, Junes Bottom, Charleys Trail, Red Pine, Bell Canyon, Neff Canyon, etc come to mind.
 
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