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Yes, it's been beat to death...which locker?

thelimeyone

thelimeyone

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sounds like my relationship with my wifey. i could come home with a new dirtbike and she'd never know.
anyway, not my thread, but i do have a question. considering my rig wont be a road machine at all, would the LSD type lockers serve me well front and rear? i know ARB's are nice but im trying to get a reasonable priced outcome.
 
timpanogos

timpanogos

Push to the Peak
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Heber
thelimeyone said:
considering my rig wont be a road machine at all,
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Do like meat did on his ... weld the rear and spool the front ... you'll want hubs on the front ... cheap man's auto locker ... get out and unlock one side until you need it.

no hubs front? do you have twin stick xfer ... then still good to go
 
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Spidey

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Location
Lehi,Ut
Hi Guys, I'm new. Nice to find a utah forum. I live in provo and work in draper.
Locker? I vote ARB. I'm really happy with it. Just make sure you route the air line to the rear axle wrapped around a steel brake line. This will help prevent line damage. It also flexes with the line when you arc up and down. I use zip ties. The new mini compressor is great. The old fullsize is a poor and slow source for onboard air anyway.
 
waynehartwig

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
Spidey said:
Hi Guys, I'm new. Nice to find a utah forum. I live in provo and work in draper.
Locker? I vote ARB. I'm really happy with it. Just make sure you route the air line to the rear axle wrapped around a steel brake line. This will help prevent line damage. It also flexes with the line when you arc up and down. I use zip ties. The new mini compressor is great. The old fullsize is a poor and slow source for onboard air anyway.
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If you do that, make sure it's done up right. You don't want anything grabbing hold of the air line and ripping your brake lines apart!! :eek:
 
waynehartwig

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
91MJ97TJ said:
I think this is an option if you don't want to maintain the air lines.

http://www.4wd.com/subcategories.aspx?sid=18&pg=4
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I'd walk before I ran an OX locker...Or do I have that backwards, if I had an OX locker, I would walk?

Every OX locker I have seen on the trails has not worked since installed. I have only talked to 2 maybe 3 people that have had them that actually liked them and said they worked fine. Then go around and talk to everyone that has/had ARB's and there will probably only be 2 or 3 people not like them. To me, I like those odds a lot better.
 
91MJ97TJ

91MJ97TJ

IGNORE ME!!!!!
Location
Salt Lake
I guess it is the opposite for me I have heard a lot of problems with the ARB. But the new generation OX locker has most of problems fixed. I haven't really tried them myself. But I am wondering what everyone thinks. What are some problems that people have ran into. I know that before they had chapter 13 they had problems with the cable because it wasn't spring loaded which is now fixed. But I haven't heard of any other problems.
 
mbryson

mbryson

.......a few dollars more
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Bountiful, land of rocks
91MJ97TJ said:
Plus of this thread with him on his back fixing the lines you have to admit seeing a lot of that.
http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=42904
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I just read that thread. It sounds like he's 'strapping' his housing/brackets together.

I ran ARBs for four years with no real issues. No line issues, no solenoid issues, and no compressor issues. I carried a length of blue line and splice kit, and an extra solenoid but never used it. Where the blue line ran through the body, I sleeved it with fuel line. (I kinda treated it like a fuel line. Who want's raw fuel in the interior of their vehicle? I didn't want air issues and treated the line similarly.)

Issues I did have:
1) Bent D30 housing causing the ARB to tear itself apart. (even a spool isn't going to respond well to that--it'd just eat itself into the housing, though)
2) blew a fuse for the ARB compressor

I've spent time on the trail with guys with OX lockers. This was early on when they were first released. They pretty much sucked. I've spent time on the trail now with guys with OX lockers and they haven't have any issues that I've known of. For my money, I'd rather have the ARB.

If you install the ARB lines like a dumbass, you're asking for trouble. I'd run an ARB again in a minute. I think they work quite well and are a proven product. I'd assume if you run an OX cable equally as unintelligently, you're asking for just as much trouble.


It's all about the setup, like EVERYTHING else. Suspension, powertrain, etc.
 
91MJ97TJ

91MJ97TJ

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Salt Lake
The exhaust melted the line actually but hey I like ARB they are on like every rig I have come across. But like you said incorrectly ran. :-\
 
Nutz

Nutz

It should work!
Location
Syracuse, UT
Thanks everyone for the great input and entertainment:D Looks like the consensus is ARB's are the way to go for a DD and attention to detail at install is critical (like anything). I think I already knew this but tried to talk myself (with some help that has already been discussed in this thread:rolleyes:) out of it for financial reasons.

Couple more questions:

Any reason not to go with the small ARB compressor if I don't plan on using it for any other air needs...I have a portable QA2 and access to a Powertank for tires.

Where do rear D44 axles typically break...splines? While I'm upgrading carrier and axles at the same time it seems that it would make sense to go 33 spline?

Seems that bent D30 housings are common...it's polishing a turd but does a truss make sense?
 
waynehartwig

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
Definately install issues will bring you bad luck with any diff, locker, etc. But when you run across 100 ARB's on the trail and they are all working... Granted, there are the occasional line issues, or the seal housing (o-ring) going out and pumping diff fluid back up into the compressor (still an install issue, if you ask me, but I digress..)

For the BFE trip over the winter convention there was a guy in a black Cherokee that had the new style OX and they did not work. Second time on the trail with them. The first time they worked, then they were readjusted like supposed to be? Worked for a few then quit again.

OX is also not a stable company, and I wouldn't doubt it if they folded all together. With that, what good is a warranty if the company that made them is no longer around? ARB is very well established and I don't think they will be going anywhere anytime soon...

Small or large compressor? I think it's all prefference. I have a Kilby (York) OBA setup in my Rubicon. I'm installing ARB's in my D60 swap and I still am going with the large compressor, just for the ARB's. Overkill? Probably, but if it ever came down to it, I could plumb the ARB compressor and use it on the trail if my engine won't run or whatever. Also, a lot of the problems I have heard about with the ARB's leaking, the user was using an external type of air supply - not a ARB compressor. I wanted to take away that as a potential problem....

Definately, if you are upgrading locker and shafts, there is absolutely no reason not to go 33 spline. However, I beat mine up pretty good with 30 spline, 4.88's and 35's with no issues. But when you are talking about 30 - 33 spline axles, the axles are the same cost, but the ARB is more (~$20).

I've never ran/setup Alloy USA's R&P's, so I have no experience with them. As a company, they are great when it comes to warranty and support. Their axles are great. I don't see any problems running their R&P's? I do prefer Yukon gears and Alloy USA axles, IMO. Alloy USA carries some 4340's that Yukon doesn't is the only reason I use Alloy's axles.
 
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