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The_Lobbster

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Greg said:
It pulls well, I'm curious what it weighs.... I'll get it to a scale eventually and find out. Any guesses on the weight, once the excess side panels are removed? I'm going to say 1050#'s. :D

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Obviously this is way old, but I'm curious if you ever weighed that trailer, and what it ended up being if so? And when you redecked your new trailer, what kind of lumber did you use, non treated, then just coated in linseed oil? I'm trying to figure out what to do for my trailer that I'm building. I got some aluminum planks that are nice and light, but not enough to do a full deck. I'd like to throw a full deck on, but it's crazy how much weight that treated wood will add.
 
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Diesel_Zuk said:
Obviously this is way old, but I'm curious if you ever weighed that trailer, and what it ended up being if so? And when you redecked your new trailer, what kind of lumber did you use, non treated, then just coated in linseed oil? I'm trying to figure out what to do for my trailer that I'm building. I got some aluminum planks that are nice and light, but not enough to do a full deck. I'd like to throw a full deck on, but it's crazy how much weight that treated wood will add.
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I hooked it up and took it out to where my scale is, but they had turned the scale off, so I never weighed it.

I just used untreated lumber, because of the cost difference. Yes, just coated it with boiled linseed oil.

You might be able to mix lumber and aluminum to work with what you have and save weight.
 
The_Lobbster

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Greg said:
I just used untreated lumber, because of the cost difference. Yes, just coated it with boiled linseed oil.

You might be able to mix lumber and aluminum to work with what you have and save weight.
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That’s kinda what I’m leaning towards. That, or expanded metal. The planks that I got are from some old bleachers. Very thin, so I’ll have to make sure it’s supported well using more angle, but I think as long as the footprint of the samurai is wide enough, it will hold up well enough, and still be lighter than wood.
 

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Been a minute, the trailer has seen some miles, many different vehicles loaded and moved and everything has been good... until last weekend.

One of the new Maxxis 8008 trailer tires I put on started coming apart on my trip to Ephriam last weekend. I ended up tossing on the spare tire the morning of the trail run and felt pretty disappointed with the Maxxis tire coming apart. I always check tire pressure before and during a trip and it's never been ran low. Fortunately it didn't blow out, but still... it's junk. The Maxxis 8008 is a 7 ply, load range C tire.

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Not wanting the other Maxxis tires to follow suite, I decided it was best to replace all 4 tires with something better... I found a set of 4 tires with 10 ply construction, E load range and plenty of great reviews on Amazon. Max load is 2400lbs @ 80 PSI per tire, I'd guess I'm loaded less than 7,000#'s with the TJ on the trailer, so I won't be pushing the maximum rated capacity. For $75/ea with great reviews, I'll try them out.

They're not a big brand name, but seem to have quite a following. I'll keep the remaining Maxxis tires for spare, spares... probably even pick up a 2nd wheel for a backup spare tire.
 
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Greg said:
Been a minute, the trailer has seen some miles, many different vehicles and everything has been good... until last weekend. One of the new Maxxis 8008 trailer tires I put on started coming apart on my trip to Ephriam last weekend. I ended up tossing on the spare tire the morning of the trail run and felt pretty disappointed with the Maxxis tire coming apart. I always check tire pressure before and during a trip and it's never been ran low. Fortunately it didn't blow out, but still... it's junk. The Maxxis 8008 is a 7 ply, load range C tire.

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Not wanting the other Maxxis tires to follow suite, I decided it was best to replace all 4 tires with something better... I found a set of 4 tires with 10 ply construction, E load range and plenty of great reviews on Amazon. Max load is 2400lbs @ 80 PSI per tire, I'd guess I'm loaded less than 7,000#'s with the TJ on the trailer, so I won't be pushing the maximum rated capacity. For $75/ea with great reviews, I'll try them out.

They're not a big brand name, but seem to have quite a following. I'll keep the remaining Maxxis tires for spare, spares... probably even pick up a 2nd wheel for a backup spare tire.
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What lug pattern?
 
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kmboren said:
I think load range C on trailer tires is always a mistake, at least on car hauler and up. All my failures have been with load range Cs. Since I have stepped up to Es I have never had a problem.
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Good to hear, I know plenty of guys had great success with these 8008's. I didn't see a higher load range in these tires, so I'll try these higher rated tires.
 
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glockman said:
I got my travel trailer tires from @Coco a couple years ago. Moved up to D from C LR. The trailer handles significantly better now and they were very reasonably priced. Should have done it as soon as I bought the trailer.
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Nearly every new trailer comes with horrible cheap tires. Going overkill on the tire ratings for trailer tires is a smart move, in my opinion. The heavier sidewalls will handle a lot better, as an added benefit.

I’m looking at H rated tires for my next replacements.
 
Coco

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Load range C is 6 ply construction, and is definitely on the smaller side for car hauler and travel trailer stuff. Small/lightweight stuff, totally fine. But I HATE trailer tire failures. I got lucky, on our Sand Hollow run in May, I lost a tire on the dirt road heading out to camp. Rounded the turn off and looked in the mirror and saw the tire gone. Pretty sure I hit a rock somewhere on the dirt road. I threw the spare on and we ran from there up to Loa for the trials meet. Sunday morning when we went to leave, I noticed one tire was really low, and my spare was separating. Decided to throw it up on a bottle jack, and rigged up a stand for the rear with leveling blocks. Ran the family home with the 3 bad tires, installed some new ones that night (some perks of being higher up at a tire shop lol). Monday I was off so I ran down in the morning, threw them on and drove it home.

We had a client that lost a trailer tire on his travel trailer. It destroyed the side on the trailer, and his black tank. Not only did have have to fix the trailer, but he got hit with an environmental fine as well for the tank. It is recommended to get your trailer tires swapped out every 5-7 years, regardless of how they look. The rubber dries out on them, and the way they are designed and intended for use, they blow a lot more than other options.

I went with 12 ply (F rated) Onyx All Steel tires, then just another 10 ply (E) for a spare. First trip back to Loa this weekend to test them out.
 
Hickey

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Coco said:
Load range C is 6 ply construction, and is definitely on the smaller side for car hauler and travel trailer stuff. Small/lightweight stuff, totally fine. But I HATE trailer tire failures. I got lucky, on our Sand Hollow run in May, I lost a tire on the dirt road heading out to camp. Rounded the turn off and looked in the mirror and saw the tire gone. Pretty sure I hit a rock somewhere on the dirt road. I threw the spare on and we ran from there up to Loa for the trials meet. Sunday morning when we went to leave, I noticed one tire was really low, and my spare was separating. Decided to throw it up on a bottle jack, and rigged up a stand for the rear with leveling blocks. Ran the family home with the 3 bad tires, installed some new ones that night (some perks of being higher up at a tire shop lol). Monday I was off so I ran down in the morning, threw them on and drove it home.

We had a client that lost a trailer tire on his travel trailer. It destroyed the side on the trailer, and his black tank. Not only did have have to fix the trailer, but he got hit with an environmental fine as well for the tank. It is recommended to get your trailer tires swapped out every 5-7 years, regardless of how they look. The rubber dries out on them, and the way they are designed and intended for use, they blow a lot more than other options.

I went with 12 ply (F rated) Onyx All Steel tires, then just another 10 ply (E) for a spare. First trip back to Loa this weekend to test them out.
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Dang, F rated. Why did you hold back? 😂
 
Coco

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Yep, right after I got the 12 plys, the 14 plys came in. 12s were the biggest in 15" for a long time, and now they are coming like hotcakes. The next trailer will have 14 plys on it, I am hoping these tires last until we can upgrade trailers.
 
Greg

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Coco said:
Load range C is 6 ply construction, and is definitely on the smaller side for car hauler and travel trailer stuff. Small/lightweight stuff, totally fine. But I HATE trailer tire failures. I got lucky, on our Sand Hollow run in May, I lost a tire on the dirt road heading out to camp. Rounded the turn off and looked in the mirror and saw the tire gone. Pretty sure I hit a rock somewhere on the dirt road. I threw the spare on and we ran from there up to Loa for the trials meet. Sunday morning when we went to leave, I noticed one tire was really low, and my spare was separating. Decided to throw it up on a bottle jack, and rigged up a stand for the rear with leveling blocks. Ran the family home with the 3 bad tires, installed some new ones that night (some perks of being higher up at a tire shop lol). Monday I was off so I ran down in the morning, threw them on and drove it home.

We had a client that lost a trailer tire on his travel trailer. It destroyed the side on the trailer, and his black tank. Not only did have have to fix the trailer, but he got hit with an environmental fine as well for the tank. It is recommended to get your trailer tires swapped out every 5-7 years, regardless of how they look. The rubber dries out on them, and the way they are designed and intended for use, they blow a lot more than other options.

I went with 12 ply (F rated) Onyx All Steel tires, then just another 10 ply (E) for a spare. First trip back to Loa this weekend to test them out.
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I misspoke, the Maxxis 8008's I was running are D range and they are 7 ply. Max load for this tire on a tandem axle trailer is 1870#'s at 65 PSI... 7480#'s capacity with all 4. I was within the rated capacity for the tire, I'm wondering if I ran over something and that caused the tread to come apart. The rest of the tires had been doing great and still look fine.

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I also have extensive tire experience... from my time at Super Shops as manager of the tire shop, mounting all kinds of specialty race car tires to running a service truck working on heavy equipment & OTR tires with Jacks Tire & Oil. It's not like I don't understand tires, ratings & capacity. ;)


All that said, the new E range 'Free Country' tires are on the trailer... pretty sure they're made in China, so the name is quite hilarious. :rofl:

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Coco

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Greg said:
I misspoke, the Maxxis 8008's I was running are D range and they are 7 ply. Max load for this tire on a tandem axle trailer is 1870#'s at 65 PSI... 7480#'s capacity with all 4. I was within the rated capacity for the tire, I'm wondering if I ran over something and that caused the tread to come apart. The rest of the tires had been doing great and still look fine.

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I also have extensive tire experience... from my time at Super Shops as manager of the tire shop, mounting all kinds of specialty race car tires to running a service truck working on heavy equipment & OTR tires with Jacks Tire & Oil. It's not like I don't understand tires, ratings & capacity. ;)


All that said, the new E range 'Free Country' tires are on the trailer... pretty sure they're made in China, so the name is quite hilarious. :rofl:

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The D are 8 ply, but yes those 10s will be a big difference.

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So, the way they rate the load ranges/plys are as follows:

P = 4 ply or lower, SL/XL (Standard or Extra Load)
B = 4 ply
C = 6 ply
D = 8 ply
E = 10 ply
F = 12 ply
G = 14 ply
H = 16 ply

It gets a little confusing for sure.

A lot of trailer tires are manufactured overseas, we buy our Transporter brand trailer tires by the container (Vietnamese made), and split it with another store.
 
Hickey

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Coco said:
The D are 8 ply, but yes those 10s will be a big difference.

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So, the way they rate the load ranges/plys are as follows:

P = 4 ply or lower, SL/XL (Standard or Extra Load)
B = 4 ply
C = 6 ply
D = 8 ply
E = 10 ply
F = 12 ply
G = 14 ply
H = 16 ply

It gets a little confusing for sure.

A lot of trailer tires are manufactured overseas, we buy our Transporter brand trailer tires by the container (Vietnamese made), and split it with another store.
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Great tech right there. 👍
 
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