Political 2024 presidential election

[Greg]

And then reinstated with the next Democrat president.

We are all just pawns in their game.

I'm hoping for Trump 2.0 in 4 years... JD Vance for 8 more years at that point.

 

[jeeper]

With the Senate and maybe the house this could get done the right way and make it way more difficult to reverse.

I doubt it. We’ve had the majority before, and they still never get anything done.

 

[glockman]

I was strongly encouraged to read 1984 in grade school. A little over my head but I reread it again in high school. Probably due for a re-read? Interesting and scary thoughts are presented there. More accurate and plausible than I ever thought possible

I read 1984 as in Jr. High and High school. I read it again about 4 years ago and it was A) full of more sexual content than I remember and B) more terrifyingly applicable than ever.

Wrongspeak is one thing that really stood out to me when reading it around the pandemic.

 

[Herzog]

This is why the “left” lost and they still don’t get it

 

[glockman]

I've herd how vengeful Trump is compared to the last two D's. Odd that Steve Bannon just served 4 months in federal prison for contempt of congress while Eric Holder was never prosecuted for the same contempt of congress.

One refused to testify in regards to people walking through the capitol unauthorized, the other was selling guns to the Mexican drug cartels. It's easy to see why one would be prosecuted and not the other, you just have to reverse your intuition.

 

[Houndoc]

This country isn't ever coming back together. Big war would make it seem so while it lasted. Unless of course it was a civil war.

People are legitimately too far apart to ever come together though.

- DAA

This is the part I disagree with

People aren't as far apart as they think. The biggest issue is that no one is willing to listen or debate/argue anymore. I mean, look at the political witch hunt of almost every politician that reaches across the aisle. They get crucified and villianized by their own party...all because a radical few have made it so.

Prior to the "Tea Party" Republicans, the idea of working across the aisle was something to be proud of, now especially among the GOP it is seen as treason.

The exact reason why nothing gets done that actually addresses the concerns most of us have.

And as @J-mobzz said I 100% am not a trumper, but I voted for him because not Harris.

At least Trump was actually voted for in the primary, and not installed. But I believe the path the Democratic Party is on far more resembles a dictatorship. As much as the two party system sucks, still better than the one party system like the dems trying to make the rest of the country emulate California.

Absurd!
In 2020, to prevent intra-part challengers, the Republicans canceled primary elections in many states.

And Utah is as much a one party system as anywhere in the country. But since they are Republicans, it you can deny an election loss for year, try to get SCOTUS to throughout an entire primary election after the fact (Lyman) and call those who don't support you the 'enemy within' and that isn't a problem.

Not to mention Trump campaign threats to jail journalists and shutdown media companies for negative coverage and his recent demand of potential Senate leadership that they allow judges to be seated without Senate approval as the Constitution requires.

Unfortunately many people vote only by party and totally disregard the actual candidate. Along with that, people's identity has become more and more tied to a political party which makes voting anything but straight party even harder.

 

[Herzog]

and his recent demand of potential Senate leadership that they allow judges to be seated without Senate approval as the Constitution requires.

Maybe go to the source rather than the media spin.

 

[Herzog]

Not to mention Trump campaign threats to jail journalists and shutdown media companies for negative coverage

And I’d love to see your sources on this garbage. He states often that they will shut themselves down because nobody trusts them anymore. 🙄

 

[anderson750]

Prior to the "Tea Party" Republicans, the idea of working across the aisle was something to be proud of, now especially among the GOP it is seen as treason.

Yeah…….and the democrats have been pillars of working across the aisle during that same time. Politicians bash each other in the public eye and enjoy a great dinner and drinks together with K street lobbyists.


Edit:

Maybe Trump will drop the Epstein list at the same time as they release the Kennedy assassination files and we can see 90% of the DC elite scurry like cockroaches when a light is turned on.

 

[Hickey]

Edit:

Maybe Trump will drop the Epstein list at the same time as they release the Kennedy assassination files and we can see 90% of the DC elite scurry like cockroaches when a light is turned on.

If anyone is wondering, this is my Christmas wish.

 

[mbryson]

Yeah…….and the democrats have been pillars of working across the aisle during that same time. Politicians bash each other in the public eye and enjoy a great dinner and drinks together with K street lobbyists.


Edit:

Maybe Trump will drop the Epstein list at the same time as they release the Kennedy assassination files and we can see 90% of the DC elite scurry like cockroaches when a light is turned on.

This needs to see the light of day

 

[glockman]

I'm absolutely baffled that people buy every line about trump in spite of his public comments to the contrary. Inventing things he hasn't said, all while ignoring things he does say.

 

[Houndoc]

Maybe go to the source rather than the media spin.

View attachment 177887

That is exactly what I said- recess appointments avoid Senate confirmation pure and simple.
Thank you for documenting my point.

 

[Herzog]

That is exactly what I said- recess appointments avoid Senate confirmation pure and simple.
Thank you for documenting my point.

"Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution gives the president the power to “appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States,” but they have to do so “by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate.”


The following clause, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 3, however, grants presidents the ability “to make temporary appointments when the Senate is not in session,” according to an annotation of the Constitution. These appointments can stay in place for up to two years."

So, he's following the constitution, that's your claim?

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C3-1/ALDE_00001144/

 

[Houndoc]

And I’d love to see your sources on this garbage. He states often that they will shut themselves down because nobody trusts them anymore. 🙄

Here are a few direct quotes of Trump.


“Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked. Not fair to public!” (an older Twitter post following negative media coverage)
“60 Minutes should be immediately taken off the air [for] election interference. CBS should lose its license. This is the biggest scandal in broadcast history,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Oct. 17. (this year after a Harris interview)
"I think ABC took a big hit last night," Trump said. "I mean, to be honest, they're a news organization. They have to be licensed to do it. They oughta take away their license for the way they do that."
"Think of this," Trump told attendees at a rally in Aurora, Colo., this month. "CBS gets a license. And a license is based on honesty. I think they have to take their license away. I do."

Quote from below was taken from an NPR article, so yes there is commentary beyond Trump's own words (such as them crediting him as joking).

"While campaigning for Republican congressional candidates in 2022, Trump repeatedly pledged to jail reporters who don't identify confidential sources on stories he considered to have national security implications.

He joked that the prospect of prison rape would loosen reporters' lips about their sources.

"When this person realizes that he is going to be the bride of another prisoner shortly, he will say, 'I'd very much like to tell you exactly who that was,'" Trump told an appreciative crowd at a Texas rally. And Trump said he wouldn't limit it to the reporters: "The publisher too — or the top editors." He made the same claim two weeks later at an Ohio rally."

 

[Herzog]

The "prison rape" one made me LOL. That's too funny.

Honestly, after the whole covid bullshit and how the propaganda machine went full force and basically threatened to put me and my family in "camps" because we wouldn't take the jab... I couldn't care less. **** them all.

To me, I see a man telling the truth. They are abusing their power with purposely spreading false information and misdirection. He's saying they should lose there license huh, that's a lot different than him putting them in jail.

 

[TRD270]

I’m just enjoying how much the ministry of (mis)information is being exposed.

 

[Houndoc]

"Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution gives the president the power to “appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States,” but they have to do so “by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate.”


The following clause, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 3, however, grants presidents the ability “to make temporary appointments when the Senate is not in session,” according to an annotation of the Constitution. These appointments can stay in place for up to two years."

So, he's following the constitution, that's your claim?

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C3-1/ALDE_00001144/

The idea of recess appointments is to temporarily fill a position when time if critical and the Senate is on recess.

To deliberately seek Senate leadership that will help him bypass Senate confirmation may (or as courts have ruled in the past may not) be textually legal, it certainly violates the meaning of the Constitution and role of the Senate.

 

[glockman]

The idea of recess appointments is to temporarily fill a position when time if critical and the Senate is on recess.

To deliberately seek Senate leadership that will help him bypass Senate confirmation may (or as courts have ruled in the past may not) be textually legal, it certainly violates the meaning of the Constitution and role of the Senate.

How does that compare to deliberately seeking a presidential candidate that is mentally compromised so you can run things from the shadows? Joe Biden's campaign page during the 2020 election said he would ban assault weapons and make it illegal to posses a firearm in your own home unless it was locked up. Both of those things are strictly prohibited by the constitution. So where is your outrage about a presidential candidate saying he will violate the constitution there?

Kamala said she would have federal agents go into your home and ensure you had your guns locked up, violating the 2nd and 5th amendments, is that acceptable?

So you agree with those things or you don't take them seriously? you can't play both sides. I just assume they are not serious because they are politicians telling their constituents lies to get support. The proof is in their actions. Kamala/Biden and Trump were both in office, what did they actually do when they had the power to?

 

[Houndoc]

How does that compare to deliberately seeking a presidential candidate that is mentally compromised so you can run things from the shadows? Joe Biden's campaign page during the 2020 election said he would ban assault weapons and make it illegal to posses a firearm in your own home unless it was locked up. Both of those things are strictly prohibited by the constitution. So where is your outrage about a presidential candidate saying he will violate the constitution there?

Kamala said she would have federal agents go into your home and ensure you had your guns locked up, violating the 2nd and 5th amendments, is that acceptable?

So you agree with those things or you don't take them seriously? you can't play both sides. I just assume they are not serious because they are politicians telling their constituents lies to get support. The proof is in their actions. Kamala/Biden and Trump were both in office, what did they actually do when they had the power to?

Let me make sure I am following your "logic":
Since the Democrats considered, and ultimately rejected, a candidate many considered unfit for office, it is okay for the Republicans to bypass Constitutional requirements requiring Senate confirmation?

As to the comparison of gun control v recess appointments, the difference is really simple.

Major new gun laws require legislation passed by Congress, no matter what the president wants or campaigns on, and that would ultimately be reviewed by the courts.

Contrast that with recess appointment, where the president deliberately circumvents a Constitutionally required role of Congress.

Lastly, many Trump supporters are masters at 'playing both sides'. When they like what he says, the claim he 'says what he thinks and does what he says', yet when he says something outrageous or extreme, he 'says stupid things', is 'joking', 'venting' or the like. We saw that in all three of his campaigns.

But in reality, all that doesn't really matter at this point. Trump is president-elect. Simple fact.

We know that despite being portrayed as someone who will save the Constitution, his comments and some past actions raise a lot of red flags.

His supporters now have the responsibility to be vigilant and not give him a free pass just because he is their guy.