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UNSTUCK

UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
Here’s my slightly different take. Surprisingly I have hope for humanity. I don’t think it’s as bad as the news and other medias make it out to be. I was spending a ton of time bouncing around all the news stations following the election and all that. I was actually getting depressed over all the hatred out there that was being shown. Then in the middle of all my news video choices one of these music videos popped up. I watched it. Then more and more. These people don’t care about your politics, your color, the abortion you just had, your legal status or what is or isn’t between your legs.


The politicians won’t make America great again. It’s not in their interest. We need to do it ourselves. I believe we can. Not sure if we will.
 
1969honda

1969honda

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I heard a friend say, "When people say politics have never been so divisive, I remind them that the Vice President killed Alexander Hamilton"

There's definitely division, but our country can still unit and heal with time. It's we as individuals that make our country what it is.
 
glockman

glockman

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This line from the Clear politics article says it all for me.
" If the information being conveyed does not reflect observable reality, then the press has failed in its core mission."

This is where the Democratic party is lost. They have pushed ideas that are demonstrably and obviously not real or true. At some point, the majority of the country said enough. That makes me feel a lot better about humanity. The gas lighting from the left has been really strong over the last 8 years and I hope it slows down now, but I anticipate the opposite happening.
 
ID Bronco

ID Bronco

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spencurai

spencurai

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WVC,UT
Ok…going forward…Trump is going to be the next president, fine. I accept the election results despite NOT voting for him. I want forward progress. Building starts with foundation and part of foundation is character. I am having an impossible time with How demonstrably BAD of a human being trump has been to his fellow Americans and Women specifically. No details necessary. No finger pointing necessary. I’ve not been lied to by the media. I’ve done my peer reviewed research. It’s unquestionable. I just keep getting hand waved away when I bring it up.

I’m NOT trying to start a debate. I’m not trolling. I’m not stirring shit.

How do I get past this?

Its like getting the greatest subway sandwich ever promised but I watched the subway kid wipe his ass with the turkey slice with a smile on his face.

I’m not accepting “what about….” I know all politicians are dirtbags. All politicians didn’t get elected to the presidency? Trump did.

As part of your fellow American citizenry that didn’t vote for trump, I’m begging you for help on this. I’m looking to start figuring this out.

Do I just work to ignore how bad of a person he is? Is that where I start?
Did you guys vote for the policy and not the person? Is it that simple?

Let’s be real here.
 
UNSTUCK

UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
I voted for Trump based on one main thing. I think he has a better chance of stopping in progress wars and preventing ww3 than Harris does. To me, my vote for him does not mean I approve of his personal behavior. Of all the talking points in the last year or so I think potential upcoming wars will cause me to loose the most sleep. I think most abortions are wrong, but I don’t really care if you have one.
 
Unimog

Unimog

Eric
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I'll preface this by saying I could not bring myself to vote for Trump, so I get where you are coming from. I honestly don't know which of the two options would be worse for the country. Definitely Kamala would have been worse economically and socially. Trump is worse just because of the wildcards in the way the rest of the world interacts with the US.

In the end, I look at it the way I look at most other capitalistic endeavors. The way I look at it is Trump is a demonstrably horrible person, but fairly predictable, which works with our system, because of all the checks and balances. I don't trust him personally in any way, but I trust the constitution and the system that is setup to prevent the tyranny that so many are wailing about.
 
johngottfredson

johngottfredson

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I voted libertarian because I could never pull the lever for Trump, but it’s not terribly complicated to understand why people who don’t like him as a person voted for him with a clear conscience.

If you select candidates based on personal integrity and high morals, and nothing else, you can’t vote for Trump. But you really can’t vote for all that many other people either. Not that many purely virtuous AND incredibly accomplished people exist, and the few that do have little taste for the dirty business that is politics, and the tiny fraction of that tiny fraction that do, get eaten up by the machine pretty dang quick.

The other angle is all about how you define virtue. Maybe Kamala isn’t disrespecting women or minorities in the way you think Trump does, but if she’s trying to take away free speech, free religious expression, free commerce, a fair legal system, guns, border control, and take money from my children to pay for transgender surgery for incarcerated illegals…not sure that’s a great moral trade.
Also, more blacks, Latinos, and women voted for Trump than they ever had, so they may not feel as discriminated at the popular narrative suggests.

So yes, Trump sucks. The system sucks that gave us these options. But what the libs have been doing, according to the majority of Americans, sucks way more.

Finally, these elections don’t matter nearly as much as everyone thinks. Trump was president, Biden was president, we’re all still alive. I’m at peace with it.
 
jeeper

jeeper

I live my life 1 dumpster at a time
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So Jo, Ut
spencurai said:
Ok…going forward…Trump is going to be the next president, fine. I accept the election results despite NOT voting for him. I want forward progress. Building starts with foundation and part of foundation is character. I am having an impossible time with How demonstrably BAD of a human being trump has been to his fellow Americans and Women specifically. No details necessary. No finger pointing necessary. I’ve not been lied to by the media. I’ve done my peer reviewed research. It’s unquestionable. I just keep getting hand waved away when I bring it up.

I’m NOT trying to start a debate. I’m not trolling. I’m not stirring shit.

How do I get past this?

Its like getting the greatest subway sandwich ever promised but I watched the subway kid wipe his ass with the turkey slice with a smile on his face.

I’m not accepting “what about….” I know all politicians are dirtbags. All politicians didn’t get elected to the presidency? Trump did.

As part of your fellow American citizenry that didn’t vote for trump, I’m begging you for help on this. I’m looking to start figuring this out.

Do I just work to ignore how bad of a person he is? Is that where I start?
Did you guys vote for the policy and not the person? Is it that simple?

Let’s be real here.
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It came down to this for me:

1- My pocket book and wealth were the greatest under Trump. And have significantly declined under Biden/Harris.

2- I knew that Trump could put an end to the overseas wars.

3- No way did Kamala deserve to be the first woman President. She had no real skill, no real work ethics, no real abilities. I wanted a real leader, not a DEI hire for my girls to look up to.

4- The margin of acceptable reasoning has swung too far out in left field (furries in school, lack of accountability in adults and children, men in girls sports, etc) That it needed a swift and aggressive change back.


You were given the choice between poop salad or a poop sandwich. That blame goes to your local electors, and down to you in reality. Until we put up better options, we will always get the same 'lesser of two evils' choice.
 
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