7/08/09 B.O.R.E Meeting Results

[Matt Stevens]

Well tell Matt or Allen and Im sure if the interest is ther then they could get something going.

Maybe a budget suv class? Much like JS but not just jeeps...

we were talking about it last night and we are deciding rather we should do a jeep speed or a class 3. class 3 would allow for jeeps bronco's and other sport utilities under 108" wheel base that way you would have a bigger field to race with. we will get it all figured out last night we only got to about 30% of our topics in a 4 hour meeting. we are just starting our rule book but it is going to be about 140 pages so it will take qa bit to get out to you I hope to have them done to pass out at the wendover race. so all of you who have a caged vehicle, side by side(rhino), 4 wheeler or bike. read the score or bitd saftey rules get as close to those as you can and show up to find out what it's about. this stuff is the true test of what your made of.

 

[rockreligious]

If Jeepspeed, then count me in for next year.

 

[Matt Stevens]

If Jeepspeed, then count me in for next year.

would you still be in if it were a class 3 insted of jeep speed. the only difference is you would not only be racing other jeeps but also other suv's like xtarras, hummer h3 ect. or with you jeep speed guys would it need to be exclusivly jeep speed? let me hear form all of you please.

 

[rockreligious]

would you still be in if it were a class 3 insted of jeep speed. the only difference is you would not only be racing other jeeps but also other suv's like xtarras, hummer h3 ect. or with you jeep speed guys would it need to be exclusivly jeep speed? let me hear form all of you please.

I would as long as the tech rules didnt conflict with Jeepspeed, the problem with not being exclusive to Jeepspeed is if jeepspeeders also compete in other Jeepspeed events besides yours they will be limited to 4.0 or smaller engine which puts them at a disadvantage running agianst v8 powered H3's, and other suvs like v8 powered Grands and stuff. im not sure how excited Jeepspeeders will be to pay large entrance fees with no chance at a trophy. maybe if the engine was also limited in that class.

 

[SAMI]

I'll come watch this guy... Maybe even be on his pit crew..

drool....

 

[slcpunk74]

I vote class 3. You can make a 4.0 plenty fast so the jeepspeed guys could do well but you could also let them throw a v8 in there too. Just my thoughts. Plus I have a buddy that might wanna race an fj in a couple years

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Hoooray. Bonneville sticks!

 

[Matt Stevens]

Reddman has been put in charge of KOH Jeepspeed and some other cool stuff if you have not read his thred yet and you are interested in jeep speed go read it. Also that xtarra guy is Dave Blakley His xtarra in that pick is a class 7S yes its a stock class vehicle.... and he smokes alot of people in unlimited classes in it. if you dont know him you will get a chance to meet him at the september race as he is one of the head tech guys and a board member.

 

[reddman]

Jeepspeed and KOH type vehicles will, at least for the September race, be placed in class Ultra4. Ultra4 is what BITD and others are calling their go-fast-crawler class.

Hope to see you guys racing with us!

 

[Mug]

Jeepspeed and KOH type vehicles will, at least for the September race, be placed in class Ultra4. Ultra4 is what BITD and others are calling their go-fast-crawler class.

Hope to see you guys racing with us!

Why would they be in the same class? They are built for different purposes, no? I wouldn't want my race sprung, narrow track XJ trying to keep up on boulders n stuff.

Thanks.

 

[rockreligious]

I vote class 3. You can make a 4.0 plenty fast so the jeepspeed guys could do well but you could also let them throw a v8 in there too.

To be competetive (making a 4.0 fast enough to compete with v8's) or installing a V8 in a JeepSpeed rig would disqualify the rig from competeing in any other JeepSpeed event. you can only add so much displacement to a 4.0 and very limited according to Jeepspeed rules.

If I go to all the expence to build for Jeepspeed, I would make sure I did all the Jeepspeed events first, then if I have any entrance money left I would race with other classes.

 

[Matt Stevens]

To be competetive (making a 4.0 fast enough to compete with v8's) or installing a V8 in a JeepSpeed rig would disqualify the rig from competeing in any other JeepSpeed event. you can only add so much displacement to a 4.0 and very limited according to Jeepspeed rules.

If I go to all the expence to build for Jeepspeed, I would make sure I did all the Jeepspeed events first, then if I have any entrance money left I would race with other classes.

Well class 3 is a standard class in the rule book and will always be there. Reddman has been givin all the latitude in the world to develop a program that incorporates rock crawling, jeep racing into Bonneville racing because it is such a huge part of the Utah culture. So if there is a lot of interest in jeep speed I would let him know who you are and that you are interested and show up in September to support it and it will then become a permanent part of Bonneville racing. our rules and program are in the development stages right now so we are taking into account and listening to the racers wants and need, the classes we run and how things operate are being developed right now so it is important to voice our opinions and show your support right NOW. In six months from now things will be decided and that will be that for the most part so get involved and voice your opinions. And remember class 3 will always be in the rule book but a jeep speed class is something you guys are going to have to go after if you want it. Bonneville racing is your club guys we just manage it so its up to you to make it happen.

 

[slcpunk74]

To be competetive (making a 4.0 fast enough to compete with v8's) or installing a V8 in a JeepSpeed rig would disqualify the rig from competeing in any other JeepSpeed event. you can only add so much displacement to a 4.0 and very limited according to Jeepspeed rules.

If I go to all the expence to build for Jeepspeed, I would make sure I did all the Jeepspeed events first, then if I have any entrance money left I would race with other classes.

I am fairly familiar with jeepspeed rules... I was saying that you could run the class 3 and be competitive if you have a strong 4.0. Notice I did not say 4.7 I did say 4.0... Engine is not everything in the dirt, I would say a well built js rig could take on a good number of vehicles and if you lose you can complain it was not fair.

 

[Matt Stevens]

I am fairly familiar with jeepspeed rules... I was saying that you could run the class 3 and be competitive if you have a strong 4.0. Notice I did not say 4.7 I did say 4.0... Engine is not everything in the dirt, I would say a well built js rig could take on a good number of vehicles and if you lose you can complain it was not fair.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner! you hit the nail right on the head. Desert racing is 80% suspension and vehicle setup 20% horsepower and 110% driver and driver experience. There is a reason desert racing runs 200 to 1300 miles in length. If you go out there with a ton of horse power but little skill or knowledge of desert racing you wont make it 20 miles because horse power and speed just break stuff if you don't know how to use it in the desert. take Mr. Dave Blakely he's an old man and he runs a stock class vehicle with a bone stock 3.5 V6 in it and I would put money on him to win every time against anyone he races. Another example Rob Mac finished 6th overall at this years Mint 400 in a 1600 cc VW short travel dunebuggy (also known as half -1600) and there were about 40 class ones and trophy trucks racing with 700 & 800 horse power engines.

 

[rockreligious]

I am new to the Desert racing scene, but I understand what you guys are talking about in horsepower, suspension, and driver skill..Jeepspeed also regulates the suspension to bolt-on manufatured suspensions but regaurdless a guys got to get experience somewhere, I understand the entrance money could be concidered tuition to getting an education in Desert and a guy doesnt always have to go home with a trophy, but the chance at a trophy might rope in guys that are sitting on the fence.

 

[TSA Motorsports]

TSA Motorsports will be out to support Bonneville Racing in our class 7 if the date is September 19th. We are looking forward to racing here in Utah with everyone. Are you guy going to have a class 7 class or class 7200 class? Now that people are getting into desert racing here in Utah more I will post our class 7 truck build up so everyone can see what you are looking at to build a class 7 truck to come out and race.

 

[SAMI]

take Mr. Dave Blakely he's an old man and he runs a stock class vehicle with a bone stock 3.5 V6 in it and I would put money on him to win every time against anyone he races.

Dave rocks a VQ 4.0.. 265hp stock... Don't sell it short to other V6's

BTW.. his suspension isn't stock anymore

was this:

Now this:

 

[cruiseroutfit]

...Maybe a budget suv class?...

Bingo! Something the general public season.

I still like the idea of a "street legal" class, something that uses stock width, legal height, etc components in some package that could literally be driven to the race. A true entry level class. Was this something you discussed at all?

 

[slcpunk74]

I don't think they could do stock width but rather have a width limit as most classes do. I think something like jeepspeed but geared towards any small/mid sized suv. Something for a bII, blazer, wrangler, cherokee, pathfinder, fj, etc. The list could go forever and with some time and a lot less money you could have a fun, safe desert racer. Maybe do a 10" front travel and 12" rear travel limit. One shock per corner with bumps in stock locations. Must retain "most" the factory body lines... Pretty much a jeepspeed class but for other rides too. You could call it the anyspeed class.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

...Maybe do a 10" front travel and 12" rear travel limit. One shock per corner with bumps in stock locations. Must retain "most" the factory body lines... Pretty much a jeepspeed class but for other rides too. You could call it the anyspeed class.

Exactly, limit the build so that a true weekend'er/newbie to the sport could enter and have a preponderance chance of winning or finishing against like competitors.