Aurora Shooting

[Thursty]

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This is why I never go anywhere unarmed. What a piece of sh!t. The anti-gun people will claim that if guns were outlawed this would never have happened. It doesn't matter how many laws you enact restricting gun ownership, criminals and pieces of sh!t like this will always find a way to get one. I guarantee you that if more people in the theater were carrying, the outcome would have been different. What a terrible tragedy. Thoughts and prayers to those injured and to the families of those killed.

 

[roverrocks]

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This is why I never go anywhere unarmed. What a piece of sh!t. The anti-gun people will claim that if guns were outlawed this would never have happened. It doesn't matter how many laws you enact restricting gun ownership, criminals and pieces of sh!t like this will always find a way to get one. I guarantee you that if more people in the theater were carrying, the outcome would have been different. What a terrible tragedy. Thoughts and prayers to those injured and to the families of those killed.

I totally agree with your sentiments. What a nutcake! They say he had booby trapped his apartment too. The anti-gun clowns will be frothing at the mouth. Condolences to all in this senseless tragedy. Sounds kind of like that loony Scandinavian who butchered so many teenagers awhile back. They want their 15 minutes of infamy.

 

[JL Rockies]

If anyone was armed and could return fire, perhaps less people would've been hurt.... silly blue states.

 

[SAMI]

What the anti-gun folks don't understand is that there is a difference between committing a crime with a firearm, and deliberately planning a massacre with multiple firearms and booby trapping your apartment to explode.

Nutjobs will always did a way to inflict their mass damage. In this case, the nutjob could have just as easily used IED's to inflict death an mass casualties; clearly he had toyed with such things anyways.

Restricting firearms will only hurt law abiding citizens; unless there was a way to better screen mental health in relation to gun sales. But then again, someone like this doesn't have to work hard at obtaining something/anything to cause mass destruction like this.

The problem, IMO, is removing the rights of citizens to defend themselves. I'm 98% sure it's a felony in CO to CC into a business that has prohibited firearms. So, a law abiding citizen becomes a felon if they carry into a theater and have to return fire on a guy who just shot 50+ people killing 12?

F that. This is why I really love Utah's firearm laws that allow CC into businesses that restrict firearms, without breaking the law. All a business can do is ask you to leave. Granted if you refuse, you'll most likely have an escort out by LEO and a trespassing ticket; maybe even a disturbing the peace citation?

These events are horrible, but they will not go away even if some law maker takes our guns away. Criminals will always have firearms - or some other means of massacre if that is their twisted agenda.

 

[Stephen]

If anyone was armed and could return fire, perhaps less people would've been hurt.... silly blue states.

Yes, because everyone with a CCW is effectivly trained in shoot/don't shoot scenarios under highly stressful, disorienting situations.

Horrible situation. I feel for the people that were there. But this blanket mentality that had there simply been someone in the crowd with a weapon to return fire then less people would have been hurt is ridiculous. Yes, hypothetically someone with a CCW might have been able to take out the shooter. It's also as likely that the CCW holder might have hit an innocent bystander causing untold heartache for all involved and likely becoming targeted by the police as a second shooter.
Just playing the devils advocate here (which will likely get me strung up). The saddest part about this whole thing, much like the shooting in Tucson, Virginia Tech, Trolley, ect. is that it will become politicised and the victims will be forgotten while the gun/anti-gun debate rages.

 

[Kevin B.]

Yes, because everyone with a CCW is effectivly trained in shoot/don't shoot scenarios under highly stressful, disorienting situations.

Horrible situation. I feel for the people that were there. But this blanket mentality that had there simply been someone in the crowd with a weapon to return fire then less people would have been hurt is ridiculous. Yes, hypothetically someone with a CCW might have been able to take out the shooter. It's also as likely that the CCW holder might have hit an innocent bystander causing untold heartache for all involved and likely becoming targeted by the police as a second shooter.
Just playing the devils advocate here (which will likely get me strung up). The saddest part about this whole thing, much like the shooting in Tucson, Virginia Tech, Trolley, ect. is that it will become politicised and the victims will be forgotten while the gun/anti-gun debate rages.

I think the point is, had someone else in the crowd been armed, there could (not would) have been fewer casualties. And I don't know that it's fair to say that another shooter would have been just as likely to hit another bystander, most folks that carry have at least minimal training.

Regardless, I agree that it's sad that both sides of the debate will politicize this and fight over it and ignore the human cost. I'm sad for everybody involved, including the shooter.

 

[SAMI]

Cinemark theaters just announced that snipers will be posted in all of the theaters' movie control rooms from here on out.

Does an event like this make me not want to go to a theater? No, the ridiculous prices of tickets does. In all seriousness, stuff like this is going to get worse. Our society is a violence thirsty society, and it's not difficult for sick people to obtain and play with adult tools that can cause serious injury or death.

 

[Herzog]

Absolutely terrible turn of events. My heart goes out to all the victims and families.

The gun control freaks are taking no time at all to jump on this. Completely ridiculous. These people don't understand how to place and accept blame for tragic events except upon inanimate objects. We need to work on solving the issues that lead to an even like this, not outlaw objects that save lives in self-defense every day. I guess we need to ban bombs... err. I guess that's working well.

Tinfoil hat on my head keeps me thinking about some other coincidences that have been going on lately as well. (Fast & Furious, UN gun treaty bill, etc)
I don't know... just never like to rule out the wild thoughts I guess.

 

[JL Rockies]

Point is, it's no fun shooting at innocent people who shoot back.... don't be all European Stephen.

How would Trolley Square have turned out if not for an off-duty Ogden police officer who was carrying?

And to take the moral high ground and have us believe that you will lose any sleep tonight crying for these poor souls is not intellectually honest... just sayin'

 

[Cherokeester]

The guy was wearing full body kevlar, some ccw guy with a small caliber handgun would have been toasted by his AR15 or his glock. There were also tear gas grenades smoking away. I am not one to consider standing around and getting shot but it is easy to say you "could" have shot him if you were there.

 

[Stephen]

Point is, it's no fun shooting at innocent people who shoot back.... don't be all European Stephen.

How would Trolley Square have turned out if not for an off-duty Ogden police officer who was carrying?

Key here is off-duty Ogden police office not some random person with a gun and zero training. I'm thankful every day that he was there, because lest you forget, I was working at Trolley that night. Had he not been there, then I might not be here. But he had training. He knew how to handle the situation.

And to take the moral high ground and have us believe that you will lose any sleep tonight crying for these poor souls is not intellectually honest... just sayin'

And I might not lose any sleep, but when I read about what happened in Aurora it rattles me a bit. Takes me back to one of the most terrifying experiences of my life. So I'd say that I feel for these people more than a lot of others. Just sayin'.

 

[JL Rockies]

The guy was wearing full body kevlar, some ccw guy with a small caliber handgun would have been toasted by his AR15 or his glock. There were also tear gas grenades smoking away. I am not one to consider standing around and getting shot but it is easy to say you "could" have shot him if you were there.

The guy was a punk. You didn't need to kill him to have him stop. In a movie theater filled with panicing people rushing for the doors and hiding under the seats, you may have had no choice but to stand your ground.

I used to fly 3 or 4 times a month for a living and after 9/11, I only sat in exit row isle. The logic being, if something were to go down, I'd want a shot at the guy rather than being stuck in my row blocked by a panicking fat woman. There were a lot of people who couldn't run who would've liked to.

 

[JL Rockies]

Key here is off-duty Ogden police office not some random person with a gun and zero training. I'm thankful every day that he was there, because lest you forget, I was working at Trolley that night. Had he not been there, then I might not be here. But he had training. He knew how to handle the situation.

And I might not lose any sleep, but when I read about what happened in Aurora it rattles me a bit. Takes me back to one of the most terrifying experiences of my life. So I'd say that I feel for these people more than a lot of others. Just sayin'.

He was radomly there and he had a weapon. Off duty Ogden police officers were not scheduled.

 

[Stephen]

He was radomly there and he had a weapon. Off duty Ogden police officers were not scheduled.

He had training to handle the situation. I do not have the same faith that some random CCW holder would have been able to draw his fire effectivly in the way that the OPD officer did.

 

[Kevin B.]

He had training to handle the situation. I do not have the same faith that some random CCW holder would have been able to draw his fire effectivly in the way that the OPD officer did.

Not to pile on, Stephen, but you really wouldn't rather the chance that somebody there have at least the potential to change the outcome of an event like this? Maybe J Random CCW Holder decides not to take action, maybe they decide to open fire and accidentally hit somebody else, maybe they open fire and don't hit anything but scare the shooter off, maybe somehow in a dark smoky theatre they manage to put three rounds center mass, whatever... wouldn't you prefer the potential that several families won't be burying their loved ones in the next couple of days?

 

[Jinx]

Point is, it's no fun shooting at innocent people who shoot back....

Rarely do I agree with the Rockster... so don't get used to it.

But any type of training, will tell you that distracting a assailant by engaging them, with any thing, rocks, bullets, whatever, will disrupt their course of action.

If all he has to think about is acquiring the next "target" he is going to shoot until he needs to reload. If he has to determine who or what is engaging him, he will have less time to shoot. In a idea situation, similar to Tolley, the assailant will have to duck and cover and stop shooting innocent people.

No need to actually "kill him" just stop/distract him long enough for to get people to safety...

just my .02

 

[jentzschman]

So sad.

I have been putting off getting my CCP for too long! I really need to get it!

 

[Gravy]

Scary. I grew up in Aurora.

 

[Kevin B.]

So sad.

I have been putting off getting my CCP for too long! I really need to get it!

I work with a fella who teaches. I was just talking to him about getting a class set up, I'll let you know if we can make it happen.

 

[JL Rockies]

Police were fully trained in Norway... too bad the people weren't allowed to defend themselves since they weren't much help (91 dead).

Police were fully trained in Mumbai too... unfortunately, they weren't allowed to be armed either (10 dead).

Police in Tokyo are fully trained yet 6 of them ran away from a single man with a bat (0 dead but great dishonor).

My father is a retired police officer and I graduated from the police academy (decided not to join) so I have mad respect for LEO. I am responsible for my own safety mostly due to the world being an effed up place and LEO can't be everywhere. I am happy I live in a place where I am allowed to defend myself.