Best buggy motor???

Bart

Registered User
Location
Arm Utah
FWIW, I'll never do another <V8 in another buggy. I always felt my 4.3L was lacking just a little ;)
Agreed, I've had two rigs with 4.3s and always wished for a bit more, and I don't want to mess with a super/turbo charger.

I paid about 900 bucks for my 6.0 with all the acc. and computer and harness. Suppose to have 3500 miles:greg:
Find one for me please. :D Seriously, where did you find it? I called All Truck and they want $1200 for a 5.3 (with harness and ecm) and $1775 for the 6.0. Both prices are equivilant on Ebay. I know they can be had for cheaper but I don't know where.
 

Kiel

Formerly WJ ZUK
Agreed, I've had two rigs with 4.3s and always wished for a bit more, and I don't want to mess with a super/turbo charger.


Find one for me please. :D Seriously, where did you find it? I called All Truck and they want $1200 for a 5.3 (with harness and ecm) and $1775 for the 6.0. Both prices are equivilant on Ebay. I know they can be had for cheaper but I don't know where.

I got mine thorugh south bountiful. Almost a year ago now. They had 5 or 6 so I don't htink it was a big deal. But now they have caught on to the trend. I will look around for ya though
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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Okay, I'm starting plans for a buggy and want input on what is the best motor swap for a buggy. I'm looking at GM motors mostly because of availability of parts, but am open to suggestions.

Are the older motors easier to swap in and wire?

About the same, IMO. The newer Gen III motors have about the same amount of sensors, perhaps 2 or 3 more than the older Vortec engines.


I'd love to do a newer 6.0, but will it work with a 700r4?

Yes, there's a simple kit that you'd need to buy from Advanced Adapters. It comes with a small spacer for the converter and a stock Gen III flexplate that has been modified/redrilled to work with the 700R4/400/350 converter.


Will it need the ECM reprogrammed? Who does that?

Yes, you will need to have a programmer disable the VATS (Vehicle Anti-Theft Sys) and they can upload a performance tune. Since it will be a buggy motor, you can specify that it will not be street driven, therefore they can reduce the emissions controls & program the ECU with a more aggressive tune for more power.


What is the best wiring harness?

The stock one, modified & stripped down for what you need. Don't use Wait4Me, I did & have been disappointed. Jims Performance comes highly recommended. I went with Wait4Me due to the price difference & now wish I would have spent more for a quality product. Both of them will re-tune the ECU & do the wiring work.


How tough is it to do the drive-by-wire thing?

Very simple, throttle pedal assembly has a sensor on it, wires that run to a small computer, then go to the throttle body on the motor. It all unbolts from the donor vehicle. Make sure to get the throttle pedal assy from donor vehicle.


Are there better motors?

Probably, but how much are you willing to spend? Better motors for the money? Probably not. The 6.0 can put out TONS of power with a ECU tune. Call Jims & see what kind of numbers they can pull. A decent intake filter & a set of headers will improve on the power that's already there.

When I was building muscle cars, aluminum heads & a roller cam were the hot ticket for a very quick car that made power all over the RPM range. Now GM is building the Gen III motors with those parts... STOCK. For the price and the kind of power & efficiency these motors make, I don't think there's anything else comparable out there. Plus the aftermarket support is huge for them. And if you need even more power you can swap on LS1 parts, more aggressive cams, etc, etc.

Do some reading on here, you'll like what you read & see about these motors-

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/

They have a 'engine conversions' forum that has been very helpful for me.
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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Thanks Greg, great information here.

Glad to help Bart. Here's some pics of the drive by wire setup. I know it's kind of intimidating thinking about it, but it's quite simple & very easy to swap into another vehicle. It goes like this... Pedal Assy w/ sensor > small wiring harness > DBW (drive by wire) computer > engine harness > throttle body.

The first pic is the pedal assembly with the sensor & plug, as well as the wiring harness that goes to the DBW computer. The 2nd image is the plug in the engine wiring harness that goes into the DBW computer. From there, the engine harness plugs into the throttle body.

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Crinco

Well-Known Member
Location
Heber
The Gen III engines are the cats a$$, but I am not sure that a (stock) 700R4 is a good choiced behind that much power. The 6.0 uses a much heavier trans (4L80E?) more like the TH400.

My vote would be for the TBI350 if time and money are the two factors to work around here, but you will not get the same power without opening up the engine. Once you do open it up you start loosing reliability pretty fast, IMHO. I am running a LT1, and I know I don't need to say anything more about that to you, :)
Chris R.
 

Kiel

Formerly WJ ZUK
I used jims perf. on my harness bart. He had it about a week and called me when he was getting started to make sure what I wanted. Came back looking great in the box;). Haven't hooked it up yet though, but he was awesome to deal with and jim always answers the phone:D
 

baerpaws

Registered User
ya bart is too cool for simple. Hey Bart, they sell a bunch of shiney part to "dress up" your engine. you should look into it. j/k
later.....
 

bryson

RME Resident Ninja
Supporting Member
Location
West Jordan
If the drive by wire is too scary, I know the genIII's can be had with throttle cables... We have a little CJ7 down here with a 5.3 GIII with a throttle cable. Not sure of the year, but I can do some askin' around.

Also, the Jeep hauls some serious arse!
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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If the drive by wire is too scary, I know the genIII's can be had with throttle cables... We have a little CJ7 down here with a 5.3 GIII with a throttle cable. Not sure of the year, but I can do some askin' around.

Also, the Jeep hauls some serious arse!

Pretty sure it's the '02 & previous engines, mine is an '03. You can swap a DBW motor to cable, but you have to buy the throttle body which can be $$$$. For me it was cheaper & easier to keep the drive-by-wire.

It moves pretty good, huh? What size tires, transmission, etc?
 

bryson

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Supporting Member
Location
West Jordan
Pretty sure it's the '02 & previous engines, mine is an '03. You can swap a DBW motor to cable, but you have to buy the throttle body which can be $$$$. For me it was cheaper & easier to keep the drive-by-wire.

It moves pretty good, huh? What size tires, transmission, etc?

Yeah it scoots... 700R/4L60 somethin, 33's stock axles with probably 3.55's or 3.73's. Stock motor with a home-brew harness...
 

Bart

Registered User
Location
Arm Utah
Hey Greg, are you going to run the stock exhaust manifolds or headers? Looks like headers run from $500 to over $1000. I really don't want the extra cost for now.
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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Hey Greg, are you going to run the stock exhaust manifolds or headers? Looks like headers run from $500 to over $1000. I really don't want the extra cost for now.

I was going to run stock manifolds for the same reason, cost of headers. But there was an issue with the manifolds dumping right on top of the upper control arm mounts for the TJ. I picked up a pair of Sanderson headers for a TJ swap, but there's issues with them too, :rolleyes: At this point I want to get it running with the Sandersons, but I'll probably end up building a set of custom headers before I get the exhaust done. Right now the drivers side will be very close to the front driveshaft & the passenger side dumps right on the upper control arm.

You can probably get some universal shorty Sandersons for a Gen III for around $300. There's other options out there too, around the $250 price range. I have that set of 5.3 manifolds if you end up needing them.
 
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