Can of Worms: Socal Fire Vs Katrina Response

[Brett]

Wow, just reading some of the comments on that link that I posted makes me so angry. I just can't understand how some people in this nation can be so idiotic. The comparison's they make with Katrina.....it's unbelievable. The one's that are saying that California did better because they're rich white celebrities......when 99.9% of the San Diego area isn't close to rich, they're not celebrities. Seems that they forget that people there are just like everyone else in this country. Middle class, working hard for what they have. But, I forget, it's California where everyone is out on the beach, there's always a cocktail in hand, and definately no one but white people!

grrrrrr

 

[notajeep]

Hate me if you want to... but maybe the Mexicans are damn good at evacuating.

 

[Brett]

Hate me if you want to... but maybe the Mexicans are damn good at evacuating.

I was going to mention them as well.......people complaining about Cali seemed to forget that there's a large population of Hispanics as well.

 

[notajeep]

No kidding... Like maybe more of them than there are white people...

 

[cruiseroutfit]

The NO folks waited for help to find them... when it didn't come they looted. Sure it was a different disaster, different local, and a different response base. BUT, a flood in the SD area would net similar results as the firm in terms of response, team work and willingness to HELP YOURSELF until help is there for you. All I remember from Katrina is a bunch of folks outside of the stadium yelling "where r wata", "we need dipas", "they got nuthun for us". Even for the displaced SD fire victims I just don't see it.

 

[Brett]

The NO folks waited for help to find them... when it didn't come they looted. Sure it was a different disaster, different local, and a different response base. BUT, a flood in the SD area would net similar results as the firm in terms of response, team work and willingness to HELP YOURSELF until help is there for you. All I remember from Katrina is a bunch of folks outside of the stadium yelling "where r wata", "we need dipas", "they got nuthun for us". Even for the displaced SD fire victims I just don't see it.

I think that a lot of is has to do with the people in California being willing to bust their ass for what they have. Volunteers everywhere helping out, even the people whose homes have burned are still helping with whatever they came. Like you said, the people NO were waiting for a hand to lead them and give them everything. Seems like the people in that area would rather have someone else help them than help themselves, which is just stupid.

Strangely, from what I've read, the rest of the coast did exactly what San Diego did.....help themselves. Seems that the people of NO were the weird ones.

 

[yellowbronco]

Chuck Norris lives in Socal. That is all I have to say.

THREAD CLOSED!

Now these are responses that someone as simple-minded as myself can relate to.

 

[notajeep]

Now these are responses that someone as simple-minded as myself can relate to.

Thankyou.

 

[RockMonkey]

Ah, so now we have some people talking about the cultural differences between the populations. This is starting to get interesting.

 

[yellowbronco]

Ah, so now we have some people talking about the cultural differences between the populations. This is starting to get interesting.

Yes, those who like Chuck Norris and those who don't. :greg:

 

[Brett]

Ah, so now we have some people talking about the cultural differences between the populations. This is starting to get interesting.

Well, there are massive difference's, as were demonstrated by what's been reported about the evacuations on in California versus the evacuations in Louisiana. I've seen some people trying to say that things were so much worse in NO with the conditions, but that's just making an excuse for the people there acting with no civic morals. That doesn't give them an excuse to rape, murder, loot, anything at all. We're supposed to be civilized, but the people in Katrina, at least in NO and what was reported, they definately forgot about that. The part that I don't understand is the people that had refused to leave. You were warned for a week. The goverment tells you to evacuate and here comes the flood. Then you blame the goverment. How??? The ones that said that they couldn't leave, well, that's BS. You've two legs....use them!

On the California side, we've seen how the communites came together and started helping each other, instead of waiting for the state or fed's to help. I was reading a thread on a different forum where it was it was just people from the San Diego talking and telling each other where there was fire or offering people a place to stay while they were evacuated. They'd been through fires before and they knew what to do, so instead of sitting there doing nothing, they listened to what was said, IE, get out of the area, evacuate. Fire's aren't something you can predict. People were called minutes before a fire came over the hill and they listened and got out.

Cultures seemed to have played a big part here. From the images I saw of Katrina, it seemed that the displaced were mostly poor people, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to act the way they did. People just have different priorities in what they consider right and wrong, and that was apparent. I've even seen on some posting's how it's the goverment not caring about black people. Katrina, the ball was dropped, they did the best they could, which was far from great, but throwing the race card.....wow.


I bet none of that makes sense

 

[I Lean]

Yes, those who like Chuck Norris and those who don't. :greg:

There are those who don't?

 

[scoutabout]

The cultrural (and racial) differences can't be overlooked. Or maybe it's a capitalist vs socialist mentality? In NO, the poor were expecting someone else to take care of them. The CA folks took matters into their own hands.

 

[spencurai]

I agree...the cultural and racial differences cannot be overlooked! It played a larger role than most people think and a larger role than anyone will admit openly and honestly! I don't think it is much more complicated than that!

 

[StrobeNGH]

I'm not sure it's fair to say that all of the people of NO refused to help themselves.
In all fairness to them, most of those who stayed behind didn't have vehicles, and to get out of the greater NO area definitely required a vehicle.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think most of the people from SD/CA who evacuated were home-owners and had access to vehicles . . . thus they were able to evacuate themselves.
SD/CA might have been a different story if there were more apartments/public housing sites in the danger zone (cue Kenny Loggins).


I'm sure that there were a good number of NO refugees who stayed behind b/c they were too lazy to get out, and there were also some who stayed because they wanted to go looting now that everyone was gone; but I still say it was the local and state government of NO and LA to blame for Katrina.

They knew that most of those people didn't have vehicles . . . what did they expect to happen when they shut down public transit and didn't give those people a way to get out of town.
If all of the NO/LA busses had been ready and willing to evacuate people before the flooding hit, I'd be much more willing to discuss the cultural differences, and why the NO people didn't get themselves out.

 

[Brett]

I'm not sure it's fair to say that all of the people of NO refused to help themselves.
In all fairness to them, most of those who stayed behind didn't have vehicles, and to get out of the greater NO area definitely required a vehicle.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think most of the people from SD/CA who evacuated were home-owners and had access to vehicles . . . thus they were able to evacuate themselves.
SD/CA might have been a different story if there were more apartments/public housing sites in the danger zone (cue Kenny Loggins).


I'm sure that there were a good number of NO refugees who stayed behind b/c they were too lazy to get out, and there were also some who stayed because they wanted to go looting now that everyone was gone; but I still say it was the local and state government of NO and LA to blame for Katrina.

They knew that most of those people didn't have vehicles . . . what did they expect to happen when they shut down public transit and didn't give those people a way to get out of town.
If all of the NO/LA busses had been ready and willing to evacuate people before the flooding hit, I'd be much more willing to discuss the cultural differences, and why the NO people didn't get themselves out.

So, it's up to someone else to get you out of an area that's going to be hit?

 

[Cody]

tell you what, if I was in the path of a major hurricane and I didn't have a car, I'd still find a way to get out.

 

[ID Bronco]

The people of NO had a week's, if not longer, notice to get out. I remember seeing interviews of people saying that they were not going to leave. These are the people who were killed, poor or not they had a choice to leave.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I hear people say things like they didn't have cars, well I could walk a hell of a long way in a week. Mississippi had similar damage and not nearly the loss of life or the complaining and number of handouts. They rolled up their sleeves and started clearing debris.

Kudos to the folks in So Cal who are going through this tough time!

 

[Cody]

If I had a week I'd fashion a rocket ship out of my empty beer cans, one of Brett's bong's, and potato skins to get away from a freaking hurricane.

what the design specs on a Mr. Fusion again?

 

[projektdotnet]

"Government racism. Largely black population in New Orleans Vs. a largely white population in SoCal." When was the last time you were in SoCal? Largely white my ass! Last time I was down there it looked like I had traveled to the wrong side of the border.