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Concealed-gun debate heats up after mall shooting

DevinB

DevinB

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Also being a CCW holder, I've thought a lot about what I would've done if I'd have been in that situation. What I came up with is if I didn't have a visual on the perp, I wouldn't go hunting him down. There's too many things that could go wrong, ie how many shooters? Will I be outgunned? But if I saw the perp, knew his weapon and his location and felt I had a fighting chance at stopping the threat, I would engage. A radio report this morning said that the Ogden police officer was shot at by the perp but the distance made the shotgun useless. In that scenario, stay a distance away and open fire if you have a clear lane. But if the perp would've had a high-powered rifle such as an AR15 or comparable, I would have ran for my life and hoped the shooter was a crappy shot.

Hopefully none of us will ever HAVE to find out what we'd do in that situation. But for now, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Devin
 
SAMI

SAMI

Formerly Beardy McGee
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SLC, UT
DevinB said:
........is if I didn't have a visual on the perp, I wouldn't go hunting him down. There's too many things that could go wrong, ie how many shooters? Will I be outgunned? But if I saw the perp, knew his weapon and his location and felt I had a fighting chance at stopping the threat, I would engage.
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this is what i've come up with as well...

DevinB said:
Hopefully none of us will ever HAVE to find out what we'd do in that situation. But for now, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Devin
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amen to that
 
ROCKRUNNER

ROCKRUNNER

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Location
SLC
When I took my class it was 6 hrs long and included defensive training, and tactical retreat we also qualified with a revolver and semi. I think if one is has a CWP they need to know what they are willing to die for and kill for. If that decision has not been made now then you don't know what you will do in that certain situation. I also think it is a good idea for people to continue there education and training. Because if you dont roll play when you are faced with a life threatening situation you will panic and do something you might regret. In my eyes that police officer did what he was trained to do and he should be proud to have helped save many lives.
 
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StrobeNGH

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I took the same 2 hour CCW class that many have already mentioned. The only good thing I can say is that they covered the laws, and ethics of carrying a CCW . . . and they emphasized that the best thing to do in a potentially dangerous situation is to run away.

A few years later, I took another class from a retired SLPD firearms instructor. We spent half a day going over laws, responsibilities, and ethics of carrying a firearm, and the other half of the day we spent on the range doing live fire, strong hand, weak hand, and night-fire shooting.

Then I moved to Pennsylvania.
Out here, all that is required to get a CCW is the names of 3 people who know you, your drivers license, and $20.
You walk into the sheriff's office, give them your information and $$$, and you walk out with a CCW.
There is NO requirement for familiarity, safety, etc . . .

If there were a situation similar to what happened in SLC, I would grab anyone who was with me and barricade myself in a back-room. I don't know that I would be more afraid of the gunman, or the possibility of untrained CCW holders "spraying and praying."

The point of my rantings:
PA is crazy. The end.
I am glad that Utah requires that at least some time be spent on safety, and the law, but I really wish that all CCW holders had to go through at least 1 day of formal training.
I understand that GO Utah!, and the NRA are opposed to such things, and I understand their reasons for being opposed to such training requirements . . . but I think it reasonable that people who want to have a CCW permit be asked/required to undergo more thorough training.
 
troutbum

troutbum

cubi-kill
Location
SLC
I think anyone that carries should be profiecient with their CCW.

I don't agree that the state should dictate who is proficent.

You guys are as bad as the anti gun lobby making up scenarios to scare yourself and others.

I believe that by far most people that carry are capable of self defense within typical self defense ranges. (which is the point of CCW). By reading some of these posts you would think that a CCW was responsible for waht happened

Just because the state doesn't mandate specific training doesn't mean that everyone with a CCP is a monkey with a gun. If you own a gun period, make sure you are profiecent with that weapon.
 
Tacoma

Tacoma

Et incurventur ante non
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far enough away
An awful lot of people with CCW's are monkeys with guns.

Shooting targets once a year does not equal "qualified gun owner". Saying that if you own a gun, you SHOULD make sure you're proficient is different from actually doing it.

I do think that a lot of people who carry ALSO take it on themselves to train with their weapon, but I know that not everyone does.
 
troutbum

troutbum

cubi-kill
Location
SLC
I agree that people should be qualified with their CCW, but asking the state to determine who is qualified to defend themselves is a mistake
 
troutbum

troutbum

cubi-kill
Location
SLC
Tacoma said:
Maybe, but by extension, you must feel that UT should have no law regarding CCW at all, like VT.
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good question...having the permit process doesn't prevent killers from carrying or shooting people, it doesn't prevent violent crimes with a handgun, it doesn't prevent drug dealers from carrying.

So the law must be there as a check on law abiding citizens, right?

So I guess the question for me is what good does the CCW law do?

I support age requirements, I even think background checking to purchase a firearm makes sense... not sure where you draw the line:confused: but I don't think determining proficency to defend oneself should be a role of the state.
 
Tacoma

Tacoma

Et incurventur ante non
Location
far enough away
I think that if you're going to agree with a codified permission to carry concealed, that by extension the state would and should have an interest in a standard of training. That's actually the reason for the CCW course and the requirements for the content. Adding some range time, preferably in the form of shoot houses or similar, wouldn't be an infringement.

There are likely some liability concerns on the state's part, and the cost would have to be borne by someone.

The problem with no requirement for proficiency is that it opens up the whole law to criticism: "any yahoo can get a permit in UT".

agreed that it is a tricky issue. ;)
 
ROCKRUNNER

ROCKRUNNER

Active Member
Location
SLC
TNT will do it! Terry Tate is so dedicated to the cause that he will help train you and go over defnsive moves and roll play situations so that you can feel comfortable. You can get a group of friends together and he will have a class with you. He will charge just the cost of renting the room and refreshments which is like $10 per person. So anyone looking to take advantage of this you can contact him. His number is 963-8864
 
waynehartwig

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
offroaddave said:
There's a billboard on 31st street just east of 1900west in ogden that states


"federal gun crimes have zero chance for parole, ZERO".


Prosecuting illegal use of firearms is the key to keeping law abiding citizens having the right to protect themselves, and others.
I personally would feel alot safer knowing more law abiding people were able to protect themselves and those around them.
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But... Will this be a federal offense? I think it's still local, isn't it? ie just because it's a mall, doesn't make it federal property.
 
DevinB

DevinB

I like traffic lights
Location
Down Or'm
So he had a Kimber? I wondered what he was carrying. The radio said he had his "service revolver" and only eight rounds. I didn't know what to make of it.
 
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