Continuous Flow Intersections
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lol
Well, it's in West Valley so that means 2 things
1) 70% of the locals wouldn't be able to figure it out anyway
2) I'll probably only encounter it about once every 2 years as I have no reason to go out there.
So maybe I am just stirring up things... but I emailed udot and asked them this question
How is the Continuous Flow Intersection going to be controlled in the event of a power outage or light failure?
And this is the response
That is a very good question. I will bring it up in our team meeting today and get back with you.
I feel so much better about their planning and foresight now
When I get a response back from them I will be sure to post it up.
How is the Continuous Flow Intersection going to be controlled in the event of a power outage or light failure?
And this is the response
That is a very good question. I will bring it up in our team meeting today and get back with you.
I feel so much better about their planning and foresight now
When I get a response back from them I will be sure to post it up.
Geez, sounds like a bunch of old ladies at tea here. Personally I really like roundabouts. They're a great improvement over 4 way stops if people know how to use them.
Give this thing a chance. I'm not saying UDOT is real smart, but they've done some research on this. Hopefully it emproves traffic flow.
Last and best comment, yes, it should have been a freeway from the start. Thank the green machine for shutting down another freeway.
Give this thing a chance. I'm not saying UDOT is real smart, but they've done some research on this. Hopefully it emproves traffic flow.
Last and best comment, yes, it should have been a freeway from the start. Thank the green machine for shutting down another freeway.
timpanogos
Push to the Peak
- Location
- Heber
Bart, are you comparing this with a round-about?
Unimog
Eric
- Location
- Stansbury Park, UT
I'm not sure what all the bellyaching is about. Do you think Utah traffic is THAT much different than Mexico, New York, and Louisiana that we won't see similar positive results?
Nope, just commenting on the earlier roundabout post.
I'm familiar with the continuous flow project on Bangerter and am interested to see how it works. I was at that intersection last week and traffic sucked. I'd rather save my condemnations for later, if it doesn't work. I just get a kick out of people that ***** about something because it's new and different.
RockMonkey
Suddenly Enthusiastic
Tacoma
Et incurventur ante non
- Location
- far enough away
The intersections aren't as bad as the ridiculous skinny streets LOL
The timed lights are nice. Especially on McKnight, you can haul ass down that street!
I'm not condemning it because it's new and different, I'm more semi-frustrated because this seems like a band-aid fix for something that should have been built completely differently. (a freeway. Now they're needing to build another freeway in Braden's backyard to handle the traffic the non-freeway isn't able to handle)
waynehartwig
www.jeeperman.com
- Location
- Mead, WA
That's not their fault, though... It's the tax payer and voters fault. Nobody wants that new freeway built - environment, blah blah blah. So they made another main artery. I completely agree, though, it shoudl ahve been done differently. It's Utah's thing, too, to do something twice - make a bandaid now and two years later re do the entire thing.
My question to UDOT was
How is the Continuous Flow Intersection going to be controlled in the event of a power outage or light failure?
Their response back was
The new signals will have back-up power sources that will maintain the lights for a minimum of four hours. Most signal issues can be handled within four hours, even at a major intersection. We will also discuss emergency preparedness with public safety officials. Otherwise the intersection will function as a four way stop, as other intersections do in power outages, with left turns then through traffic cycling around the intersection. The crossover signals obviously wouldn't coordinate with the larger intersection during an outage, so the crossover signals should be treated as a two-way stop.
Did this answer your question?
I don't feel much better, that crazy left would be dangerous in a 4-way stop situation. But the power backup sounds like it was the right answer to hear.
How is the Continuous Flow Intersection going to be controlled in the event of a power outage or light failure?
Their response back was
The new signals will have back-up power sources that will maintain the lights for a minimum of four hours. Most signal issues can be handled within four hours, even at a major intersection. We will also discuss emergency preparedness with public safety officials. Otherwise the intersection will function as a four way stop, as other intersections do in power outages, with left turns then through traffic cycling around the intersection. The crossover signals obviously wouldn't coordinate with the larger intersection during an outage, so the crossover signals should be treated as a two-way stop.
Did this answer your question?
I don't feel much better, that crazy left would be dangerous in a 4-way stop situation. But the power backup sounds like it was the right answer to hear.
I go through tis intersection every day (twice 
) and anything is better than what it is right now. (or has been, seeing right now they have it down to two lanes and if you get stuck in rush hour traffic it takes 30+ mins to get through that one light).
To start another debate/discussion related to this...the Mountain View Corridor, do you think it should be a toll road? My opinion is not only yes, but hell yes I'd pay! I know the truckers were complaining because then they wouldn't use it and all I say is so??? Stick to Bangerter if you don't want to pay.
) and anything is better than what it is right now. (or has been, seeing right now they have it down to two lanes and if you get stuck in rush hour traffic it takes 30+ mins to get through that one light).To start another debate/discussion related to this...the Mountain View Corridor, do you think it should be a toll road? My opinion is not only yes, but hell yes
I'd pay! I know the truckers were complaining because then they wouldn't use it and all I say is so??? Stick to Bangerter if you don't want to pay.
Tacoma
Et incurventur ante non
- Location
- far enough away
where is the Mountain View Corridor?
shoot, I should google it. Lazy tonight.
shoot, I should google it. Lazy tonight.
http://www.udot.utah.gov/mountainview/
about 5800 West and will run all the was from West Valley down to Saratoga Springs.
For a major intersection like this, you'd think they would have better redundancy plans than one 4 hour backup.
Hope it works out.
Spork
Tin Foil Hat Equipped
- Location
- Saratoga Springs, UT
I go through tis intersection every day (twice
To start another debate/discussion related to this...the Mountain View Corridor, do you think it should be a toll road? My opinion is not only yes, but hell yes
I avoid this intersection twice a day. :greg:
Mountain view corridor a toll road? No not only no Hell no.
Udot hasn't managed to put a usable road in south of Camp Williams. (Redwood is a sorry excuse for a road, it might have been usable 10 years ago) Making mountain view a toll road is just rolling over and giving them a pass for all the incompetence. If they want a toll road they better start refunding the gas tax.
If I don't get in to work early then I go around, same thing if I get out later than 4:00, I go around
Spork said:Mountain view corridor a toll road? No not only no Hell no.
Udot hasn't managed to put a usable road in south of Camp Williams. (Redwood is a sorry excuse for a road, it might have been usable 10 years ago) Making mountain view a toll road is just rolling over and giving them a pass for all the incompetence. If they want a toll road they better start refunding the gas tax.
Explain your line of thinking. How is it giving them a pass for all incompetence? Why would you want a refund for gas tax? There are still roads that need to be built and maintained so the gas tax point, well, makes no sense. This would be a toll road that funds itself. Very common in major cities around the country, the users of the road pay to use it. Why would someone that lives on the east side pay for a road they will likely never use? I don't understand the incompetence part either. So you would rather pay for the road through your taxes causing an increase in taxes? The money is not there as it is to build the road so either the whole county (state?) pays for it or just the users pay for it? I like the idea of a toll road. Paying an extra $30-$50 a month for a road that would be way less congested and be an actual freeway sounds quite appealing to me. Those that don't want to pay can go sit in traffic on Bangerter
RockMonkey
Suddenly Enthusiastic
If I don't get in to work early then I go around, same thing if I get out later than 4:00, I go around
Explain your line of thinking. How is it giving them a pass for all incompetence? Why would you want a refund for gas tax? There are still roads that need to be built and maintained so the gas tax point, well, makes no sense. This would be a toll road that funds itself. Very common in major cities around the country, the users of the road pay to use it. Why would someone that lives on the east side pay for a road they will likely never use? I don't understand the incompetence part either. So you would rather pay for the road through your taxes causing an increase in taxes? The money is not there as it is to build the road so either the whole county (state?) pays for it or just the users pay for it? I like the idea of a toll road. Paying an extra $30-$50 a month for a road that would be way less congested and be an actual freeway sounds quite appealing to me. Those that don't want to pay can go sit in traffic on Bangerter
Are you serious, Caleb? Why should people on the East side pay for a road on the West side they'll never use? Why the hell should I pay for any roads on the East side that I never use then? Why aren't those toll roads? That line of thinking makes no sense. I've never used probably 90% of the roads in Utah, so I want 90% of the money that I paid to UDOT back. Seriously, that's some retarded logic there. By your logic every single road in the state should be a toll road, then everyone is only paying for the roads they use. Also, Mountain View Corridor will ease congestion on I-15, I-215, Redwood, Bangerter, State, you name it. People driving on any of those roads are "using" Mountain View Corridor by avoiding traffic on the roads they're on.
The (retarded) people of Utah voted themselves a sales tax increase last election on promises that the Mountain View Corridor will be built sooner as a toll-free road. I damn well better get done, cuz I'm a little pissed off that I'm still paying increased sales tax that we voted ourselves to build Trax. It's built, it's profitable, why are we still paying the sales tax for it?