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So assuming Cody's right about only 87% accurate tests, it would explain the people that have got the rona that got it a second time. First time may not have actually been rona, the second time maybe for real rona? If they catch it again 3rd times a charm? GIves hope to vaccine actually doing something other than making us sore in the arm for a day. I was about to inject politics in here and say whoever the next president is sure to save us or kill us all but this is not a political virus and we're all sure to either live or die. ;)
 
Cody

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I just googled the accuracy of that test. Not my numbers and it's possible I got the wrong numbers in my admittedly quick googlin'. I was just saying 1 in a 100 is neither particularly likely, nor impossible. You can spin that number however you like. Statistics are for spinnin.

But I don't follow how the accuracy rate of a test has any bearing on whether a person can or does contract COVID more than once. It kind of reads like you're saying a positive test should prevent COVID a second time, which it obviously can't. I do believe there have been documented cases of COVID being contracted a 2nd time, so it's possible that it was a real 2nd diagnosis, or it's possible the first (or second) were false positives. Not sure the duration between confirmed positives, the accuracy of tests used etc etc. Those are also numbers needed to draw actual conclusions. I also believe I've read (i.e., derivative knowledge) that different people with different immune responses/severities of infections have had different levels of antibodies, and they are trying to study those causes as well and how they might impact immunity. This is all pretty nebulous stuff for COVID though.

But again, I'm just a drone using my politicized math, but to know which outcome is more probable you would technically need to know the % of people that have a confirmed case of COVID that then had a confirmed 2nd case of COVID to know that probability, then to determine whether or not there is a higher probability of the first COVID case being a false positive or the 2nd case being a false positive or an actual second case you would need to know the accuracy of the tests used. Same with 3rd time. Facts are messy like that though. Let's stick to conjecture and personal opinion here.

As for politics. We have certainly made the issue political, there is no argument there. I guess I'm on the fence whether the virus, itself, is political. Having now known enough people impacted by it, the virus seems fairly real even if our understanding on how it spreads, it's treated, and the best way to simultaneously protect people and jobs is still to be determined. I think it's probably a lot like land use issues. No solution is going to make everyone happy. We're kind of in undocumented territory here, so we just have to try and be understanding that nobody is happy with all of this shit, and no path forward is going to make everyone happy. We're all going to have to sacrifice. Some money. Some lives. Some convenience. Maybe some personal freedoms. It's a shitty path forward no matter which politician you want paving that path.
 
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If it doesn't embed at the correct time, go to 8:25:40

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Dr. Roger Hodkinson, Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons committee in Ottawa, CEO of a large private medical laboratory in Edmonton, Alberta and Chairman of a Medical Biotechnology company SELLING THE COVID-19 TEST:

"There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. This is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspected public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus. This is nothing more than a bad flu season. It's politics playing medicine and that's a very dangerous game. There is no action needed....Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence whatsoever they are even effective. It is utterly ridiculous seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people walking around like lemmings obeying without any evidence. Social distancing is also useless..... Positive testing results do NOT indicate clinical infection. It is simply driving public hysteria and ALL testing should STOP immediately....using the province's own statistics the risk of death under 65 is 1 in 300,000. The scale of the response is utterly ridiculous...all kinds of business closures, suicides .... you're being led down the garden path."
 
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Wife got a positive test this morning. I got tested today. I feel like crap, just like last time, bad cold type symptoms. I'll see what the diagnosis is tomorrow. As I've stated, I am 98% sure I had it in February when I had a bad flu but tested negative for the flu.
 
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UT410 said:
Alright, rather than "dog" on him (like that one??? :rofl:)... I do have a few questions for @Houndoc .

There's been a lot of contradictory information on whether pet's carrying covid can transmit to humans. The CDC, of course, has waffled on this. Utah's coronavirus page has pulled down the page that said pet-human transmission is not likely.

First, I read dog owners were less likely to contract the virus, now dog owners are more likely to spread it. Then cat could but dogs - not likely. And round and round.

So, what's the story? What research should I read? Who is a trustworthy voice on this topic? If someone with dogs gets the virus, say one in a household, should the dog(s) (pets) quarantine?
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From what we know, cats seem to be a more likely to get sick with COVID than dogs- more cases have been diagnosed in them at least, including several outbreaks among large cats (lions, tigers) at zoos. They develop similar symptoms to people- respiratory disease. The case reports I have read have overall been fairly mind symptoms in most cases.

From what is know, it does appear it is transmitted from humans to other species without any known cases of pets passing it to owners. I do not think there is a known risk of say dog to dog spread, but if you are quarantined with the virus you shouldn't be out walking your dog around other people anyway, so probably doesn't really matter.

Interestingly, but irrelevant to most people, the non-human species that appears most susceptible to COVID-19 is mink. Several mink farms in Utah have been devastated by outbreaks (spread from workers to the mink) and several European countries have completely depopulated their mink farms.
 
Cody

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Since you laughed at my post Houndoc, care to compare your credentials with his? :)
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He's giving his opinion based on his life experience and research, and you have a contrary opinion based upon your life experience and research. I think that's all fair game in a civil discussion. Houndoc could very easily post videos of Fauci or any other medical professional that disagrees with this Dr, and since you disagree with that, is it fair for him to ask you to compare your credentials to theirs?

As you are very quick to point out, just because a dr says it, doesn't necessarily make it true. I'm sure there are other Dr's and medical industry professionals that are on record saying something very contrary to the Dr in that video. I don't think it's an absolute...either one is right or the other. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, and we are able to use our background, experience, opinions, training, research, or wife's cousin's boyfriend's friend's opinion to make up our own conclusions. But no matter how much we believe in our own opinions here, none of us 'know', you know?
 
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