Democracy Countdown

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?


This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.

I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.

How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage'

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.


If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.


If you are not in favor of this, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
 

Seth

These go to 11
There is nothing wrong with the post. I it is along the same lines as I was trying to explain in the other thread. People are so blinded by the partisan politics and 30 second news they don't see the obvious truth that has been starting them down for decades.

It is all a semantic game produced for all of the short attention spans.

I want to go off about all this political bs, but alas I have home work to do. When I get time I will rant.
 

RockMonkey

Suddenly Enthusiastic
It was interesting right up until the prediction of doom in the next five years, when it lost all it's credibility. :rolleyes:
 

GOAT

Back from the beyond
Location
Roanoke, VA
My 2c.....



Wayne has always treated me well, and helped me out of some pretty tight spots (balljoints come to mind). You also have a very good reputation in the 4x4 community.

However, I dont understand why a supporting vendor to a website, wouldn't stay out of or remain as neutral as possible on these threads:sick:

Trying my best not to sound like an a$$hole,
Marcus
 
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Tacoma

Et incurventur ante non
Location
far enough away
What, he sells stuff and he can't have an opinion? Are you saying that if someone disagrees, they wouldn't buy from him? I'm not a big fan of Mormonism. Should I shun 3/4 of the board? Should they shun me? (shut up Greg!!! -_-)

Nothing Wayne has said, that I've seen, makes him out to be a raging wingnut-- which MIGHT be a reason not to buy from him.... :D
 

kbjames

Active Member
Location
Sandy, UT
Tacoma,

Don't worry about it, it goes both ways as I'm sure most Mormons woudn't hire you anyways. Didn't ya know they're taught not to hang out with seedy guys like you. :)

I never could figure that part out back when I was one....especially in light of Je$u$ always hanging out with the dregs of society and all.
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
My 2c.....



Wayne has always treated me well, and helped me out of some pretty tight spots (balljoints come to mind). You also have a very good reputation in the 4x4 community.

However, I dont understand why a supporting vendor to a website, wouldn't stay out of or remain as neutral as possible on these threads:sick:

Trying my best not to sound like an a$$hole,
Marcus
First, I don't think you are an a$$hole. I didn't write any of the first post - it was a complete cut and paste. Granted, I probably could have edited out the first few lines from the original poster as those are just his comments of what he read. I may not completely agree with it, but I did find it interesting and interesting enough to post here to get everyone elses opinion and reactions.

Second, It's no secret that I'm a conservative or republican if you will. I do have a touch of liberal, though. I do believe in human rights. If a woman wants to have an abortion, that's her choice. It's her body and she has to deal with that the rest of her life. If it doesn't bother her, then she has no moral fibre. and etc. Same with smoking and etc.

I think government should only be there to protect us against other countries/states and that's pretty much it. No welfare programs whatsoever. That's social security, medicare, medicaid, etc..etc..etc.. Not all government actions have sucked, though. Women can now vote and blacks aren't slaves anymore. But anything they've done in the last 40 years has been shat for the most part and it's all taken us closer to socialism - everyone is equal and no body is better and that's completely not true..There should always be winners and losers. We need CEO's just as much as we need janitors. Just because that 40 year old doesn't want to get a job and live in his parents basement for the rest of his life shouldn't be my problem. Anymore the government thinks they know better than the common person and makes it into a funky law or it's in the courts to waste time and money there. They need to get out of our homes and let stupid people die and lazy people fend for themselves. I work my a$$ off to acquire the things I have - they should too.

All of these buy outs that the feds have done are just another large step to the government controlling our business and economy - ie closer to socialism.

People hear socialism and think about how bad Russia and Germany were back in the 1920-40's and think that could never happen to this great US with our grand democracy in place. It can happen and it is, slowly. Iraq used to be a democracy as well and not long ago. Once Saddam was elected he turned it into socialism and started killing his people and repressing women. Take away their guns, and there is no way they can over power the government. Sound familiar?

All of this PC BS should go away, too. I find rewriting history books to take 'offensive' things out, is dead wrong. It happened, learn from it.

Third, this forum isn't my business. In my business I won't talk politics with customers. I keep those relationships strictly business. I barely know thier name and address and if I know they are married or etc it's because they brought it up or etc - I didn't ask. Someone calls to order a D35 axle shaft, I sell them one. Their paying for product, not opinions. If they ask, I'll offer advice. I view the people on this forum as friends, not customers, even though a lot are both. There's a lot of people on here that I've spent hours and even days on the trails with.
 

mbryson

.......a few dollars more
Supporting Member
Tacoma,

Don't worry about it, it goes both ways as I'm sure most Mormons woudn't hire you anyways. Didn't ya know they're taught not to hang out with seedy guys like you. :)

I never could figure that part out back when I was one....especially in light of Je$u$ always hanging out with the dregs of society and all.


:rolleyes:


(....as a Mormon looking for a job...wish it was as easy as it's "supposed" to be)
 

Seth

These go to 11
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

This is just raciest and stupid. And beyond that it completely misses the point.

Maybe I need to back up a bit. I don't agree with the opening post. However hard the individual was trying to make his point it comes off as conspiratorial and divisive.

I was arguing my point about finical world issues on another thread. I believe the subversion of these finical markets to be at the heart of what will bring down the US as we know it.

Not saying the US will go away by any stretch of the imagination. You have to understand people. What motivates them, what deters them and how power and influence will change them.

I have no illusions about how the markets work. They are unbelievably complex and each person is just trying to do the best they can there. However the total sum of small subversions of truth and policy lead to issues like the one we are having right now.

My point is that everyone is focused on a political race and the surface issues that come with that. The real problem is in the structure of a free society and how the powerful manipulate it. It has always been a problem, it will always be a problem. I just get testy when I hear people arguing about window dressing.
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
This is just raciest and stupid. And beyond that it completely misses the point.

Maybe I need to back up a bit. I don't agree with the opening post. However hard the individual was trying to make his point it comes off as conspiratorial and divisive.

I was arguing my point about finical world issues on another thread. I believe the subversion of these finical markets to be at the heart of what will bring down the US as we know it.

Not saying the US will go away by any stretch of the imagination. You have to understand people. What motivates them, what deters them and how power and influence will change them.

I have no illusions about how the markets work. They are unbelievably complex and each person is just trying to do the best they can there. However the total sum of small subversions of truth and policy lead to issues like the one we are having right now.

My point is that everyone is focused on a political race and the surface issues that come with that. The real problem is in the structure of a free society and how the powerful manipulate it. It has always been a problem, it will always be a problem. I just get testy when I hear people arguing about window dressing.

IMO, all illegals need to be deported and the borders need armed soldiers - shoot anyone that enters illegally - period. Granted amnesity to those here illegally will only hurt the US, not make it better. Again, IMO. If the govt wants to make everyone a citizen that is here LEGALLY, that is fine. Come here legally, pay taxes and become a citizen. Come here illegally, don't pay taxes and be a drain on society is what I have a problem with.
 

kbjames

Active Member
Location
Sandy, UT
Wayne,

I agree with most, except the shooting and killing part. :ugh:

The fact is, illegal immigrants are driving the state of california bankrupt with all the gov't claims for welfare, medicare, putting kids in school, food stamps, etc, etc when they aren't contributing bupkus into the system. Its whack!!

And while in the short term, it'll cost more to build the fence, in the long run, it'll more than pay for itself.
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
Wayne,

I agree with most, except the shooting and killing part. :ugh:

The fact is, illegal immigrants are driving the state of california bankrupt with all the gov't claims for welfare, medicare, putting kids in school, food stamps, etc, etc when they aren't contributing bupkus into the system. Its whack!!

And while in the short term, it'll cost more to build the fence, in the long run, it'll more than pay for itself.

Yeah, the shooting and killing part might be a bit extreme, but how else will you get the point across? Right now they know the boarders are open. So they come in, work, get caught (on purpose) for being here illegally after the season is over, get a free ride home and then do it all over again next year. Literally. As long as they are able to do this, they will be here. I understand why they are here - better everything. But that doesn't make what they are doing right. They are not any less of a criminal as a thief or a tax dodger and should be dealt with as such. They defraud the government every step of the way and it's just completely wrong that the government is allowing it to happen and in some cases encouraging it!
 

Seth

These go to 11
Come here legally, pay taxes and become a citizen. Come here illegally, don't pay taxes and be a drain on society is what I have a problem with.

Taxes are not the issue. Every illegal I have known pays taxes. They have to have a ss# to get a job those tax dollars go straight to uncle same. That is were part of the problem arises. Uncle sam cannot afford to forfeit those dollars. The larger issue is the net pay does not stay her in the US. It is sent back to the country of origin. That is a much larger total.

Even these number are nothing in comparison to the larger fiscal issues that burden the US. If you take every illegal assume he/she makes 30k a year and payes 33% income tax that is still under 25 billion. When over 3 trillion goes "missing" from the dod budget you get a feel for the enormity of the problem.

Not to belittle or excuse illegal immigration by any means. I just think it is another issues that are larger and more perverse. Keep you opinions, I don't dismiss them. Just keep doing research into some of these budgetary issues. It is scary.
 
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