Democracy Countdown

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
Taxes are not the issue. Every illegal I have known pays taxes. They have to have a ss# to get a job those tax dollars go straight to uncle same. That is were part of the problem arises. Uncle sam cannot afford to forfeit those dollars. The larger issue is the net pay does not stay her in the US. It is sent back to the country of origin. That is a much larger total.

Even these number are nothing in comparison to the larger fiscal issues that burden the US. If you take every illegal assume he/she makes 30k a year and payes 33% income tax that is still under 25 billion. When over 3 trillion goes "missing" from the dod budget you get a feel for the enormity of the problem.

Not to belittle or excuse illegal immigration by any means. I just think it is another issues that are larger and more perverse. Keep you opinions, I don't dismiss them. Just keep doing research into some of these budgetary issues. It is scary.

If they are illegals, how do they have a social security number? Is this something I don't know about, that we're giving them to them?

The illegals that I know of aren't paying taxes because the employers afraid of the govt finding out they have illegals working for them. These are still people that will get hurt at work, go to the hospital and not pay their bill. They also, like you say, stock pile the money and take it/send it home to their families. Even legals do this.
 

Brett

Meat-Hippy
All I know is when I was working in the construction field they would come up with a ss#, and all of a sudden there name would be hyphenated. :rolleyes:

Identity theft. I dealt with it a lot at Amex and to an extent WF. Most of the time, I found that they were using the SSN of people that had been deceased for a few years.
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
All I know is when I was working in the construction field they would come up with a ss#, and all of a sudden there name would be hyphenated. :rolleyes:

Identity theft. I dealt with it a lot at Amex and to an extent WF. Most of the time, I found that they were using the SSN of people that had been deceased for a few years.

This makes more sense to me... And another reason to deport illegals...
 

ID Bronco

Registered User
Location
Idaho Falls, ID
If they are illegals, how do they have a social security number? Is this something I don't know about, that we're giving them to them?

The illegals that I know of aren't paying taxes because the employers afraid of the govt finding out they have illegals working for them. These are still people that will get hurt at work, go to the hospital and not pay their bill. They also, like you say, stock pile the money and take it/send it home to their families. Even legals do this.


Most of them pay sales tax, but few pay income taxes. We run into many bad social #'s when they try to buy cars. It's one of the first questions you have to ask.

I am a huge fan of the initial post on this thread. Not all the sensationalism of 5 years, but the premise is spot on!
 

soda blaster

Active Member
Location
Saratoga Springs
This is just raciest and stupid. And beyond that it completely misses the point.



My point is that everyone is focused on a political race and the surface issues that come with that. The real problem is in the structure of a free society and how the powerful manipulate it. It has always been a problem, it will always be a problem. I just get testy when I hear people arguing about window dressing.

How is this racist he said illegals not any specific race. In my opinion illegal is illegal not mater where they are from.
 

Spidey

Active Member
Location
Lehi,Ut
This is just raciest and stupid. And beyond that it completely misses the point.

Maybe I need to back up a bit. I don't agree with the opening post. However hard the individual was trying to make his point it comes off as conspiratorial and divisive.

I was arguing my point about finical world issues on another thread. I believe the subversion of these finical markets to be at the heart of what will bring down the US as we know it.

Not saying the US will go away by any stretch of the imagination. You have to understand people.

My point is that everyone is focused on a political race and the surface issues that come with that. The real problem is in the structure of a free society and how the powerful manipulate it. It has always been a problem, it will always be a problem. I just get testy when I hear people arguing about window dressing.

Comes off as conspiritorial? Time to reread your own statements. Sound consipiritorial to me. "the powerful manipulate it"

Now people, is that a bad thing to be conspiritorial? Or be an alarmist? Hell no! Unless you have no guts to say it how it is.
One of the most informative books I ever read was called "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" (It's all about the banking systems and foundation since the 1800s, all fact and backed up in any large public librabry).
Why don't people call it what it is? They are afraid of being a stand out against the norms of complacent PC society.
What would we call the founding fathers if we had not won the revolution? We'd call them bloody bastards in a british accent, that's what. They would be considered traitors. Chew on that.
Do you or any of you have the balls to call it what it is? 5 years fom now? Please, more like many years ago. Why then, "cause all the policy has been in place for our downfall for a long time. It's just being added to and you know it. But we all just stick our heads in the sand, don't we. Im sick of it. We don't have a chance until people realize we've been screwed already. Hopefully we can all stand up and have another revolution before the corruption is so strong that we cant stand up without risking our professions, reputations, risk imprisonment, or worse our lives.
Here's one that'll piss off the be-grudged non mormons, and make me non-credible until you think a bit.
This point is easily tied to corrupt government and what's been taking place in America for a while. Call ol' Jo Smith anything you want, but these words are genius and dead on in philosophy.
"For the kingdom of the devil must shake, and they which belong to it must needs be stirred up unto repentance, or the devil (relate government as this is the same strategy that dictatorships have used)) will grasp them with his everlasting chains, and they be stirred up to anger and, and perish:
For behold at that day shall he shall rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.
And others will he pacify, and lull them into carnal security(is this case, government dependancy),that they will say, all is well in Zion(or in this example America); yea , Zion prospereth, all is well-and thus the devil cheateth them away carefully down to hell.( How many people do you know like this)
And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell(or in our case"Socialism wont really happen."): I am no devil, for there is none-and thus he whispereth in theirs ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverence... therefore wo unto them that be at ease in Zion, Wo unto them the crieth all is well!"
Now go ahead, put your head back in the sand and mock me so you can go peacefully back into your apathetic slumber.
 
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kbjames

Active Member
Location
Sandy, UT
Wow Spidey,

That is some intrepretation of scripture. Are you speaking on behalf of Monson now? Does he know he's been replaced? Hmm, lets see:

Carnal security = govn't dependancy,
Zion = America
No Hell = Socialism wont' really happen

Nthing like some religious nut-jobedness for a few evening laughs.
 

RockMonkey

Suddenly Enthusiastic
Wow Spidey,

That is some intrepretation of scripture. Are you speaking on behalf of Monson now? Does he know he's been replaced? Hmm, lets see:

Carnal security = govn't dependancy,
Zion = America
No Hell = Socialism wont' really happen

Nthing like some religious nut-jobedness for a few evening laughs.

Hey what are you, a "be-grudged non mormon"?
 

kbjames

Active Member
Location
Sandy, UT
Yup thats me...actually an ex-Mormom which is even funner cause most Mormons don't even know thier own religious beliefs...and it makes for some interesting conversations to have to call them to the carpet.
 

StrobeNGH

no user title
Location
WB
What, he sells stuff and he can't have an opinion? Are you saying that if someone disagrees, they wouldn't buy from him? I'm not a big fan of Mormonism. Should I shun 3/4 of the board? Should they shun me? (shut up Greg!!! -_-)

Nothing Wayne has said, that I've seen, makes him out to be a raging wingnut-- which MIGHT be a reason not to buy from him.... :D

Yeah . . . you're not being shunned already. :ugh:



I love how people can't disagree and still be friends.

I work for a public defenders office, and I'm conservative. How do you think that usually works out?
I get along great with people here b/c most of them are good, nice people. We might see political and social issues differently, but that doesn't change the fact that they are good people who would give you the shirt off their back.

That is what matters the most to me. If you can't get past a stupid disagreement, then who needs ya?
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
I think he's right, at least to an extent. I think when people hear 'socialism', they think back in the days under Hitler and think that will never happen here. The sad part is each day/year/decade we loose even more of our freedoms. The more we loose, the faster the slope and the easier the transition.

Seriously, I would not put it past Obama to take us there and be the last elected US president. Between his ties to bad people, to whom he calls 'best friends' and his already loathe of the US and his Marxist attitude. It's all there people... Saddam was elected into office because his people thought he was the best for the job. Think about it...
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
Might want to brush up on your Iraq history. Saddam wasn't exactly 'elected'. :ugh:

Maybe I'm wrong, but I understand it as he was put in office through an election. And in that election, the people of Iraq wanted him in office. And not from a 'takeover'.. No?


...Tell me.. I'm too lazy to start Googlin' and readin' this morning... :D
 
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