dirty 30s
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TG did NOT copy Bobby with thier new axle shafts. If thats the case so did Marlin (Marfield), All Pro (Profield) and who ever made the Bellfields along with a few more. CV joints have been around long before Birfield was even around. Thats like saying CTM or OX copied Spicer with their improved U-joint 
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TG did NOT copy Bobby with thier new axle shafts. If thats the case so did Marlin (Marfield), All Pro (Profield) and who ever made the Bellfields along with a few more. CV joints have been around long before Birfield was even around. Thats like saying CTM or OX copied Spicer with their improved U-joint
You make a great point. I should have clarified that I was not refering to their new birfs. Anyone familiar with the startup of TG knows that they have had some more than shady business issues. For that reason, I will never be a TG customer.
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- Smithfield Utah
Oh I was just making a comment not really directing it towards anyone in particular
they were shady in the begining, but I use their products and occasionally shop at Walmart also That being said don't ever call their number and ask a technical question of any kind. You will get the--over the phone--deer in the headlights look
billylight
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- Orem, UT
tg is with no doubt the walmart of the after market toyota industry. i hate shopping at walmart but once in a while i have to get a thing or two from there. i treat tg the same way. my spring hangers are tg but my springs are allpro. i pick and choose on the parts that need real quality. i dont proudly advertise this just the same as i hope no one proudly advertises shopping at walmart
Noahfecks
El Destructo!
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- Glenwoody Springs, CO
The eliminator kit is stronger than the stock birfs but not as strong as the Longs (or probably the Dirty 30's).
I have had some warranty and customer service issues, if you want specifics I would be happy to share them with you by PM. I do use TG parts on my rig(s) in select parts of the build. I think you would be more satisfied in the long run with Longs over 30's or an eliminator kit.
I have had some warranty and customer service issues, if you want specifics I would be happy to share them with you by PM. I do use TG parts on my rig(s) in select parts of the build. I think you would be more satisfied in the long run with Longs over 30's or an eliminator kit.
choptopbII
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- Clearfield, UT
I run 30 spline longs in my rig but im building a 95 4runner that im going to try the dirty 30's out on. The seem like a good product to me.
what size tire is your dad running? does he run a front locker or hydro assist?
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- Sandy, Ut
Reward innovation, as simple as that. Sure there are a hundred ways to skin a cat.
Its one thing to improve on your compeitors design, even if it means expanding on their ideas, its another to come in after the fact with an identical design albeit of weaker overall strength due to material selection and manufacturing processes. That is not innovation, its weaksauce.
Toyota has been using birfields in axles since 1968, other manufactures were using them before that. Nobody is claiming that Long invented the CV join, just that he stepped it up 12 notches while the competition brought it up just 10 after the fact
For the record Longfield is NOT a Trail Gear dealer, they were until they had some "issues" Bobby was selling off what little old stock he had at EJS. To say he is "cool" with them is a gross mis-representation.
Now regarding TG. If it were a single product, fine. But when the majority of their products came from the sweats, labor and R&D of others, I don't feel comfortable rewarding them based on their only attribute, the ability to cheaply outsource. While I have nothing against outsourcing when done by an innovative company. This combined with their less than par dealings with Marlin both in the business purchase and 6 shooter knuckles makes me want to spend my money elsewhere. Just as I won't spend money at REI. Ethics rank higher than the bottom $$$ in my life.
Its one thing to improve on your compeitors design, even if it means expanding on their ideas, its another to come in after the fact with an identical design albeit of weaker overall strength due to material selection and manufacturing processes. That is not innovation, its weaksauce.
Toyota has been using birfields in axles since 1968, other manufactures were using them before that. Nobody is claiming that Long invented the CV join, just that he stepped it up 12 notches while the competition brought it up just 10 after the fact
For the record Longfield is NOT a Trail Gear dealer, they were until they had some "issues"
Bobby was selling off what little old stock he had at EJS. To say he is "cool" with them is a gross mis-representation.Now regarding TG. If it were a single product, fine. But when the majority of their products came from the sweats, labor and R&D of others, I don't feel comfortable rewarding them based on their only attribute, the ability to cheaply outsource. While I have nothing against outsourcing when done by an innovative company. This combined with their less than par dealings with Marlin both in the business purchase and 6 shooter knuckles makes me want to spend my money elsewhere. Just as I won't spend money at REI. Ethics rank higher than the bottom $$$ in my life.
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- Sandy, Ut
TG did NOT copy Bobby with thier new axle shafts. If thats the case so did Marlin (Marfield), All Pro (Profield) and who ever made the Bellfields along with a few more. CV joints have been around long before Birfield was even around. Thats like saying CTM or OX copied Spicer with their improved U-joint
Really? Your about 10 years late in the game? The Newfields were one of the first "heavy duty" birf replacements on the market, long before All Pro and others were even in business. Longfield raised the bar by taking a existing constraint and working it into the strongest axle possible which meant 30 spline and a minimal neck down for the seal surface, while the others were still stuck on 27 splines. Much like Marlins new heavy duty inner axle seals, one is a moron if they say "xxx didn't copy Marlins new seal because blah, blah blah has been making seals yada, yada, yada". They innovated and they deserve credit where due.
Now onto the name Birfield, are you sure CV's were around before them? NTN is/was the manufacture of what became known as the "Birfield" for Toyota and many other applications, I'm not 100% but I think NTN is one of the original innovators of the common CV (in 1918), so to say the Birfield was copied from another CV is a bit misleading
Side note, why the name Birfield? Well nobody really seems to know, in 1967 NTN started stamping it on their 6 spline CV assemblies in early Land Cruisers, replacing the ball/claw joint in the earlier axles (a bronze ball). They might have been calling it that earlier, I don't know.
NOTATOY
BACKYARD CUSTOMZ
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We're running 38" super swampers with a Detroit , 5.29's, and hydro assist with high pressure pump, All Trail Gear
thats impressive
Noahfecks
El Destructo!
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- Glenwoody Springs, CO
Running 37" stickies, with 5.29 cryoed by bobbl, ARB, Hydro assist, Longs, and TG drive flanges.
Guess what gives first? How often?
Guess what gives first? How often?
choptopbII
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- Clearfield, UT
your dads rig is badass....:greg:
Anyways, I've bought parts from both TG and Marlin and never had a problem with either. I will admit Marlin takes longer to ship, But they both have great customer service.
But, Im looking forward to getting my dirty 30's and beating the piss out of them on 39.5 iroks.
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- Smithfield Utah
The Newfields were one of the first "heavy duty" birf replacements on the market, long before All Pro and others were even in business. Longfield raised the bar by taking a existing constraint and working it into the strongest axle possible which meant 30 spline and a minimal neck down for the seal surface, while the others were still stuck on 27 splines.
I re-read my post and I realize I worded it wrong. I meant to say that if TG copied Bobby's design then all the others should be blamed for stealing Birfields design--which would be dumb.
Now onto the name Birfield, are you sure CV's were around before them? NTN is/was the manufacture of what became known as the "Birfield" for Toyota and many other applications, I'm not 100% but I think NTN is one of the original innovators of the common CV (in 1918), so to say the Birfield was copied from another CV is a bit misleading
I'll admit that I threw that out without thinking too deep, but In my mind the Rzeppa and Tracta joints have been out forever in automobiles and that was what I was thinking when I posted. At that point it's splitting hairs :-\
Side note, why the name Birfield? Well nobody really seems to know, in 1967 NTN started stamping it on their 6 spline CV assemblies in early Land Cruisers, replacing the ball/claw joint in the earlier axles (a bronze ball). They might have been calling it that earlier, I don't know.
Good question. Why has every aftermarket axleshaft kept the "Field" part in their name and not "Birf"? Birflong?
rockreligious
NoEcoNaziAmmo
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- Ephraim
what Ive seen is after you upgrade to longfields your hubgear is next to go or your hub bolts break, with the drive flange upgrade, you drill more holes in the hub surface so you have more bolts to support it.
they are an issue if you want a warrantee. if the hub gear breaks it can take out your after market long or dirty30, If its a trailer queen I would just use drive flanges.
after you upgrade all this you dont have anything to worry about except the ring gear. ha ha.
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- Smithfield Utah
Another trick you can do is add 4 more dowel pins to the hub if you choose not to run flanges. It's kind of a pain to do but it makes a big difference once its finished :-\
ricsrx
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does any one have any pics of the dowels installed?