Drug testing for welfare and unemployment?
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Brett
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- Salt Lake City Utah
Can't hurt to make sure the people receiving assistance aren't just screwing themselves over.
Silly Willy
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- American Fork Ut
Why should we help those that can't help themselves? If they have an addiction they should be getting over that addiction, not using Federal dollars to promote it...
If that makes it to the ballot I see it going through. I could see big public support for a bill like that. I had to pass a background check and many people have to pass drug tests to get a job to pay into the tax system, I see it fair that if you want to pull from the tax system you should be held to the same.
TJDukit
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- Clearfield
Awesome idea. If someone can hold a job and smoke a little dope then good for them but if they want to sit around and smoke dope and collect from my tax dollars(which I'm not allowed to do drugs) then screw em.
ID Bronco
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I am all in favor of it! I doubt the Dems will alianate most of thier voters but I hope so.
Now a little analysis:
"It's to insure that the federal government is a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and that these individuals with substance abuse problems get the treatment they so desperately need to become more productive," Hatch said.
Did he really say, "It's to insure that the federal government is a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars"?
Anyone in Congress who fools themselves into thinking they ever do this is an imbecile.
Now a little analysis:
"It's to insure that the federal government is a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and that these individuals with substance abuse problems get the treatment they so desperately need to become more productive," Hatch said.
Did he really say, "It's to insure that the federal government is a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars"?
Anyone in Congress who fools themselves into thinking they ever do this is an imbecile.
ricsrx
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"Smith said the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled it would be an unlawful search and seizure to require a drug test before receiving government money. "
There is a rule similar to this that prevents the Post Office from doing drug testing on its employees, it would be unfair and discriminatory to ask or require them to do a drug test, you can only imagine what the work force looks like.....
There is a rule similar to this that prevents the Post Office from doing drug testing on its employees, it would be unfair and discriminatory to ask or require them to do a drug test, you can only imagine what the work force looks like.....
I think that's lame because in my opinion getting a welfare check is voluntary. Same with working at the post office. Seems to me that's a pretty voluntary job...? There are other jobs are there not?
GOAT
Back from the beyond
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- Roanoke, VA
I really need more facts than this article can offer before coming to a conclusion. Right now, it just appears to be posturing.
If the recipients test positive, what are we going to do from there? Sentence them to jailtime where they'll be thoroughly rehabilitated through the wonders of systematic *ss-rape? Treatment will have to come into play, and then there will be the managing of those results. The expense would appear to add up quite quickly.
I contend that if we pay a recipient of welfare, we should expect a service in return. To what degree, i dont know, but we as taxpayers should expect something in return.
Pennies in a bucket, Hatch can suck it.
If the recipients test positive, what are we going to do from there? Sentence them to jailtime where they'll be thoroughly rehabilitated through the wonders of systematic *ss-rape? Treatment will have to come into play, and then there will be the managing of those results. The expense would appear to add up quite quickly.
I contend that if we pay a recipient of welfare, we should expect a service in return. To what degree, i dont know, but we as taxpayers should expect something in return.
Pennies in a bucket, Hatch can suck it.
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TJDukit
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Well I for one Volunteered to join the Air Force which is a government job where I am subject to random drug testing anytime they want. So for me to continue getting my government paycheck I have to keep my butt off drugs...so I'm all for this, so long as drugs are illegal I don't feel the government should provide aid to people who are breaking the law. I wouldn't care if they put them in jail actually I'd rather people didn't end up in jail over it, and if they want help to get off drugs so they can qualify then fine but if not it's their problem, it shouldn't be mine which right now it is.
I propose that we stop giving them a welfare check.
Treatment wouldn't have to come into play.
People can own up to their own problems and provide their own solutions without relying on someone else to do it for them. AKA - personal responsibility.Not a bad idea
Maybe so, but I'm personally sick of dishing out thousands upon thousands every year to perpetuate anyones teat-sucking lifestyle. :-\
I propose that we stop giving them a welfare check.
Exactly.
If you fail a drug test for a job, you don't get arrested. You just don't get the job. Same premise here.
You're only against this because it's Hatch that has proposed it
If they fail, they don't get a check...pretty simple. I do agree that we should be getting something from all the people on welfare. There are a lot of government jobs that could go to these people. "Free" labor (saving money) and hopefully no druggies...sounds like a win-win.
GOAT
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I propose that we stop giving them a welfare check.
Treatment wouldn't have to come into play.
Not a bad idea
Maybe so, but I'm personally sick of dishing out thousands upon thousands every year to perpetuate anyones teat-sucking lifestyle. :-\
personal responsibility begins at the top. haven't seen that in my 36 years on this earth
You're only against this because it's Hatch that has proposed it
If they fail, they don't get a check...pretty simple. I do agree that we should be getting something from all the people on welfare. There are a lot of government jobs that could go to these people. "Free" labor (saving money) and hopefully no druggies...sounds like a win-win.
I truly couldn't give a flying fawk about hatch or any other party affiliations. i just dont subscribe to any party line in particular.
The main thing that concerns me about these statements is, they are a bit unrealistic. Most of this geared to get the dwellers fired up, but really isn't practical. Agreed, there has to be some sort of stipulation involved, but whats next? FU user, your out on your own? Don't cry when you get jacked by somebody looking to score a hit. Treatment is necessary, regardless of what we would like to believe. I for one am tired of seeing prisons filled to the brim with repeat offenders and no exit strategy.
Over the last year i've volunteered for work in shelters and various charities. There are good and bad people within each, but ive learned not to paint with such a large brush.
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I never said a word about party affiliations. I think that ANYONE that claims loyalty to ANY single party is a shallow narrow minded sheep.
GOAT
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good, just pointing that i have no loyalty
Tacoma
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If they fail, then they can beg or steal, and go to jail, and then they can work off part of their room and board. Good hell, Marcus, it's not like people have no choice in America... you leftist $#@%. Just kidding, I would never really insult you like that.
The facts of welfare in many major cities are that people abuse the ever-loving hell out of the system. I don't think this has any realistic chance of passing, not to mention actually WORKING, but I'd love to see some work programs. Dig ditches for welfare money, and see how many people may just want to take that job at McDonalds to save up to open their own small business in the neighborhood, and maybe employ some more of those ex-ditch diggers. Or not... but I think the current model of welfare dependence is a major factor in the decline of western civilization. That and Black Flag, of course.
Just kidding, I would never really insult you like that. The facts of welfare in many major cities are that people abuse the ever-loving hell out of the system. I don't think this has any realistic chance of passing, not to mention actually WORKING, but I'd love to see some work programs. Dig ditches for welfare money, and see how many people may just want to take that job at McDonalds to save up to open their own small business in the neighborhood, and maybe employ some more of those ex-ditch diggers. Or not... but I think the current model of welfare dependence is a major factor in the decline of western civilization. That and Black Flag, of course.
ALF
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SWEET! a few years back I had to write Hatch for a politics class, this was my subject.
Hope it goes through!!
Hope it goes through!!