Eagle Mountain Fire

[Hickey]

Any links to said legislation? The BLM can and has banned giant areas from shooting, the Five Mile Pass (5MPRA) for example is all off limits to shooting and its arguably a better location for target practice. SITLA, the FS, NPS and others each have managed their own target-shooting bans in various places throughout the state.

There is a loophole in the ban at 5 mile that allows shooting as long as it is for a legal hunt, during a legal season. Thats how they get around the constitutional issues. Technically, you can shoot Jack rabbits year-round at 5 mile.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

There is a loophole in the ban at 5 mile that allows shooting as long as it is for a legal hunt, during a legal season. Thats how they get around the constitutional issues. Technically, you can shoot Jack rabbits year-round at 5 mile.

Is anyone arguing the 20+ shooting fires were from hunters

I should have been clearer in my previous reply, I was specifically describing target shooting bans of which have taken place on public lands all over the state. I remember shooting guns on the FS property above Corner Canyon in Draper, now that entire area is off limits with the noted exception of hunting which of course has its own stipulations in regards to shooting near roads, structures, etc.

There are federal lands closed to hunting too, NPS, WRA's, etc. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how they have stolen our constitutional rights in Fish Springs and Canyonlands but seemingly cannot at Lake Mountain

 

[Hickey]

Zombie hunters. I seen em.

 

[Spork]

Is anyone arguing the 20+ shooting fires were from hunters

I should have been clearer in my previous reply, I was specifically describing target shooting bans of which have taken place on public lands all over the state. I remember shooting guns on the FS property above Corner Canyon in Draper, now that entire area is off limits with the noted exception of hunting which of course has its own stipulations in regards to shooting near roads, structures, etc.

There are federal lands closed to hunting too, NPS, WRA's, etc. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how they have stolen our constitutional rights in Fish Springs and Canyonlands but seemingly cannot at Lake Mountain

Let's just say at this point if you're out on Lake mountain shooting in someone's backyard it's not going to the be the government you need to worry about. Move it up at least past the power lines if you don't mind.

 

[Spork]

A pic I saw today (check out where the road is).

 

[Caleb]

Really? It was BLM land on the last map I checked... and some trust land mixed in.

Yeah, I don't think the privately owned part is entirely correct. There is some private land out there, but most of the stuff west of the lake is BLM land. If you go further west (like next mountain range over), then you start to run in to the privately owned land. It's largely owned by a guy named Clift Jordan, who owns Jordan Livestock. Although, even out there, there is a lot of BLM land still.

 

[frieed]

I'm a bit slow, but can anyone point me to some kind of proof that a copper jacketed, partially jacketed, lead bullet can cause a spark or a fire. Lots of speculation, but no proof. What I see is a big fine for fireworks violations but not for a "target shooting" fire, hence, the original call for a "target shooting incident" and not a fireworks issue. Please, verifiable references, not hearsay. I am afraid that this just another attempt to take away our shooting rights.....

 

[Spork]

I'm a bit slow, but can anyone point me to some kind of proof that a copper jacketed, partially jacketed, lead bullet can cause a spark or a fire. Lots of speculation, but no proof. What I see is a big fine for fireworks violations but not for a "target shooting" fire, hence, the original call for a "target shooting incident" and not a fireworks issue. Please, verifiable references, not hearsay. I am afraid that this just another attempt to take away our shooting rights.....

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54361811-78/fire-saturday-dump-firefighters.html.csp

Sparked by two target shooters on Thursday afternoon, the fire burned within a half-mile or closer of some homes before an army of local, state and federal firefighters turned the blaze back into more remote grasslands and mountain ridges of juniper and pinyon late Friday. The firefighters were assisted by a fleet of water-bearing helicopters and air tankers bombing the flames with fire retardant.

What the article doesn't say is what caused it. (just that it was caused by people target shooting). They could be out shooting tannerite or aerosol cans or propane tanks or they just threw the butt of their cigarette on the ground. However it started it gets blamed on target shooting. One thing I heard is the 2 shooters have indicated that they started it and are working with authorities.

 

[krany]

Let's just say at this point if you're out on Lake mountain shooting in someone's backyard it's not going to the be the government you need to worry about. Move it up at least past the power lines if you don't mind.

even past that they are way to colose to homes...i rode up that way on my dirt bike today and saw lots of areas past the power lines people are shooting at and imo shouldnt be. i did notice thats all public trust lands to while i was up there.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

I'm a bit slow, but can anyone point me to some kind of proof that a copper jacketed, partially jacketed, lead bullet can cause a spark or a fire. Lots of speculation, but no proof. What I see is a big fine for fireworks violations but not for a "target shooting" fire, hence, the original call for a "target shooting incident" and not a fireworks issue. Please, verifiable references, not hearsay. I am afraid that this just another attempt to take away our shooting rights.....

I don't see anyone trying to take away shooting rights, its just not an appropriate place to be shooting right now. If anyone has the 'privilege' away, its trashy shooters that leave all their shooting debris on private and public property and take irresponsible risks when shooting. I'm a major gun advocate and enjoy a variety of shooting sports including target shooting, I just don't think that its an appropriate activity near homes with the current fire risks.

As for the sparks, I've seen sparks during my target shooting primarily with copper jacketed steel core ammo thus I can't possibly call their bluff when they think it can cause fires.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

even past that they are way to colose to homes...i rode up that way on my dirt bike today and saw lots of areas past the power lines people are shooting at and imo shouldnt be. i did notice thats all public trust lands to while i was up there.

Its not all public trust lands (State) and its surely not all BLM and or all private either, its a mix. The state (SITLA) has a checkerboard of ownership throughout the entire west desert (and Utah), they own(ed) roughly 1/9 of all lands in Utah, again in a rythmic checkerboard of land, in most cases surrounded by BLM and or other land.

 

[jeep-N-montero]

I went fishing Friday up to Lost Creek and the smoke was very thick that far out of the valley, spoke with Dave B earlier and he said it was hazy up at Flaming Gorge this weekend as well. Today my eyes have not been nearly as irritated so either the fires have weakened or the wind has shifted.

As far as closing/banning access to shooting, I do know that the shooting range below the B is closed and we haven't heard gunfire for a few days. With as many idiots out there who lack the common sense to not go shooting in these conditions and think they can do as they please on "public" lands, we will have more fires this year. I'm just thankful I live in an established area with a lot of mature greenery that would act as a fire break if a fire does start up here on the bench.

 

[MikeGyver]

I'm a bit slow, but can anyone point me to some kind of proof that a copper jacketed, partially jacketed, lead bullet can cause a spark or a fire. Lots of speculation, but no proof. What I see is a big fine for fireworks violations but not for a "target shooting" fire, hence, the original call for a "target shooting incident" and not a fireworks issue. Please, verifiable references, not hearsay. I am afraid that this just another attempt to take away our shooting rights.....

Maybe it was a tannerite (or similar) reactive target.

 

[roverrocks]

A pic I saw today (check out where the road is).
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Thanks. An amazing and fascinating picture. Over here in dry Colorado all private firework displays are banned this year as far as I know BUT the fireworks stands are STILL open. Go figure. I don't see many people buying fireworks but some are and one knows that these are total idiots that think they can do as they damn well please. I think that all outdoors recreational shooting should be banned this year unless it is a shooting range that is well protected. I am a gun owner too but common sense has to rule.