Fender Flares - What's illegal?

ZUKEYPR

Registered User
I know the max you can go on body lifts is a 2", 3"ers are illegal. I wouldn't recommend a 3" anyway but just my opinion.


Unless the law changed within the last two months 3" body lifts are legal. The problem is how they measure it. Frame to body below the door. Add a 3" puck to your stock mounts and you have more than is allowed. I personally called UHP on this in October because someone said the law was going to change to 2", and UHP said they knew nothing of it. I'm in the same boat on my other rig as Pike. Everything is built around those 3" pucks; both bumpers, the rockrails which are welded to the frame, the crossmember flip so that I could get the Tom Woods driveshaft on, the gas tank lift, the tires, etc.
 

ZUKEYPR

Registered User
I personally don't see what the issue is with them, I've been running body lifts on every single one of my rigs since 1987 and never ever had a problem. In fact a PA State trooper stated that the body lift was probably the only thing that saved my boy during a rearend collision at an actually clocked 58mph (Trooper witnessed the entire crash while running radar-what's the odds) because it absorbed most of the impact.
 

1993yj

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Location
Salt Lake
For driving on the road they are fine. For wheeling though, they can bend, just like they probably did in your accident. Most people I know wouldn't run larger than a 1" body lift for something that sees a fair amount of time off-road.
 

waynehartwig

www.jeeperman.com
Location
Mead, WA
I've seen frame and tub seperate because of a body lift. The longer bolts can't handle the sheer like the short bolts can. When a body lift becomes a necessity, I've always moved the mounts and used the same rubber isolator. You can get a 2" lift this way and still maintain a safe setup.
 

Jay5.9L

...I just filled the cup.
Location
Riverton
Plus a big body lift just looks bad! Had a 2" on my CJ and there was way too much day night between the fram and body. Swapped it for a 1" and looks much better.
 

Pike2350

Registered User
Location
Salt Lake City
Plus a big body lift just looks bad! Had a 2" on my CJ and there was way too much day night between the fram and body. Swapped it for a 1" and looks much better.


Agreed on this, however because of how the set up is, you honestly can't tell there is a body lift on at all. There was a gap that was noticeable in the rear tire wells, but I had put in some rubber matting to block that.

Otherwise, it looks relatively stock. The only pucks you can see are the front 2....and the front bumper supports on the frame.

Honestly, I do plan on redoing my truck, and cutting down the lift to a more suitable 1.75" lift. The part that kills me is that after having no trouble with passing, and continuing to build my truck around it, now all of a sudden, I have 15 days to correct the problem....it just kind of sucks considering the work involved.

Besides, my truck doesn't see a lot of off road time. It is my daily driver, and I do go to Moab, and off road...but I am nowhere near turning this into a full on 4 wheeler, truggy, buggy or anything else. So I felt the 3" body lift was fine....too bad I didn't know it was illegal back then.
 

ZUKEYPR

Registered User
For driving on the road they are fine. For wheeling though, they can bend, just like they probably did in your accident. Most people I know wouldn't run larger than a 1" body lift for something that sees a fair amount of time off-road.

Dude, I've been wheeling body lifts since ***** was a corporal and I have never, ever witnessed a body lift bending or breaking. Now getting rearended the way I did on the highway at that speed, when I was sitting idle at a light........yeah, it bent. Big difference though than that of off-road conditions.

Let me know how it turns out bro, I personally don't think you're going to be able to bring it down that much without redoing the gas tank. Did you have the X-member flipped as well, I can't remember?
 
Body lifts were set at 2" vs 3" during negotiations with the UHP when we passed the current lift law in 2000-2001. Mudflaps for vehicles with altered height were part of the concession. If it is stock height, and not offered with mudflaps, then it doesn't need mudflaps. Period.

Bottem line? Carry a copy of the law with you.

If you don't like the current lift law, you could try out the old one...and have a measly 2" of lift on your rig if it's under 100" wheelbase. Don't *itch to your legislator...thank them instead. The old one sucked worse.

If you've got questions on the lift law, look through those other threads (and for my posts in those threads). I wrote it with help from 4-wheelers all over the state and SEMA, negotiated with the UHP, and spent hours up on the hill talking with lawmakers and committees. 4-wheelers across the state urged their lawmakers to pass it. And pass it they did, 72-0-3 in the house, 25-2-2 in the senate.

The body lift set at 2" and mudflaps were a concession that we felt we could live with, in exchange for a much better lift law. NO state has ever gone from a crappy lift law to a better one except for us.

Why the fender flares? cuz we wanted to be able to run wider axles and have them be legal. Chew on that.

:-D

Brett Davis

PS: next time you see Craig Stumph or Tom Barkume, you might thank them for starting that whole law changing process.
 
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